secure your privacy! (technical response to possible ban)

[Leader]

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Where will Joe Fish go?

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He will go do something else with his free time besides play poker online. He will pick up whatever the next trendy activity is and do that instead of happily donating his money to me.

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I think this comes down to what the definition of “Joe fish” is vs someone that is more committed to playing. If we're defining it as neither a pro/semi-pro nor a future GA member, then I think some of those people will go through the effort of continuing to play what they consider a fun pastime.

[k000k]

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Simple yes or no. Could a proxy server allow a way around a possible ISP block of gambling sites?

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Yes, but this issue goes beyond that. Degenerate skilled players like ourselves will go to these extremes. Degenerate addicts will as well. Joe Fish will not.

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Honestly, I don't think that's really the problem.. Party and Stars could easily bundle some proxy software right into their software, or streamline it so any non-technical dummy can do it easily. It's trivial to get around any firewall type blocks to IP's. That's not gonna be the hard part. I think the US gov't knows it and won't even bother pursuing it.

The REAL problem will be getting your money in and out of the sites. US banks will stop processing ACH transactions with Neteller/IGMPay/etc, and they won't honor any checks the sites cut to you. If this bill passes, people will build up massive inaccessible bankrolls online (me included). I'll figure it out later, when it gets worth it.. Get a foreign bank account, take a trip to Europe, whatever.. Not Joe Fish though,

THIS will stop American Joe Fish from playing online, not any type of ISP blocks.. The games might dry up a little, but there will still be German Jöe Fisch, Norwegain Jøe Fich, French Joé DeFishé, and so on..

[otctrader]

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The REAL problem will be getting your money in and out of the sites. US banks will stop processing ACH transactions with Neteller/IGMPay/etc, and they won't honor any checks the sites cut to you. If this bill passes, people will build up massive inaccessible bankrolls online (me included).

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AFAIK the legislation does not specifically block repatriation of funds; I can't imagine the government would object to you cashing out into a U.S. account so long as its taxed.

[Quanah Parker]

Thanks to my love of poker and pornography, I'm more computer literate than I ever imagined I would be.

Techno-irony.

[antneye]

There will be any series of combinations of e-merchants you will be able to use.....a deals with gamblers, b and c do not, but a deals with b and c......simply move it around until you find a path to paypal or someone in US. The enforecement attempts will be ridiculous

[Jussurreal]

Poker sites can just start using Western Union and that would easily cure the money in/out problem. It's just a matter of whether they will do that or not.

Also, I don't see how a bank can not honor a check sent to you by an individual from a foreign country just because it's a foreign check. It's not like the check says "Party Poker" on it.

Trust me, the money movement will be the easiest thing to get around.

[guitarizt]

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Simple yes or no. Could a proxy server allow a way around a possible ISP block of gambling sites?

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Yes but the average poker won't do this. That's the short answer.

[ragecg]

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Its good that we have the citizens of China to look to for ways around our increasing government restrictions. Oh well.... the only way they'll get me to stop playing poker is to put me in jail.

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That's a bit drastic, isn't it? Why not just move to Nevada?

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Because it is illegal there as well to play online.

[Penguin3D]

I like the idea of using a proxy for your connection to the poker sites, and payment processors. But all of the sites I use require a physical address to establish a real money account. With Eurobet waffling, and cancelling the accounts of all American Citizens, I assume because their account included a US address, I wonder if others won't follow. If that happens, it won't matter if you use a proxy, the site will have closed your account for their own protection. We need foreign Snail Mail Proxies. I know that there are mail forwarding services, but I have never received any snail mail from any poker site, except Party, made them send me a check once. All we would need is a physical address outside the US, not mail forwarding, unless it were for the occasional cashout check. But if I recall correctly, too lazy to look it up right now, I beleive mail forwarding services charge about $20/month plus a per piece mailed fee. $240 a year for a proxy address just so the poker sites don't close my account is a bit steep. Any other ideas?

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I read that Western Union employees tipped off US law enforcement officials about bets with BetOnSports, triggering their CEO's arrest as his plane to Costa Rica had a layover in Texas. So using Western Union MIGHT not be the solution.