KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL - Page 3

shootaa · #21 07-13-2006, 11:58 PM

its all about whether or not he could have AK and QQ here. do the math accordingly

luckychewy · #22 07-14-2006, 12:40 AM

threads like this happen like twice a day, call and it's not close. think about all the times this happens and you see some bs hand you dominate...

boondoggle · #23 07-14-2006, 02:57 AM

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Peoples... villains are not pushing 1,75 buyins over the top without the nuts. Most likely does he take this route because he is uncomfortable playing for such a big stack with just one pair, where it can be hard to distinguish hero's overpair from a set on a board like 4TJ.

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This is dead on. Maybe 6-8 months ago this would be a call, but preflop at 1/2 - 3/6 has tightened up massively unless the guy is a total moron. Against your avg. player now, no one is moving all in without KK or AA and people are folding KK a lot more in these situations as a result.

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Idahoholdem · #24 07-14-2006, 03:59 AM

Hey, if he has AA then you're f'd unless you get lucky on the flop. Otherwise, it's a no brainer! You absolutely call!!!!!

Joroy70 · #25 07-14-2006, 10:15 PM

The guy had AA and lost 175BB to him preflop...

duh · #26 07-14-2006, 10:34 PM

If villan isn't an idiot, I fold easy... 175bb is alot, and most people won't shove that much without the nutz..

jfish · #27 07-14-2006, 11:44 PM

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threads like this happen like twice a day, call and it's not close. think about all the times this happens and you see some bs hand you dominate...

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its different when stacks are deeper than 100bb. its definitely not an obvious call.

luckychewy · #28 07-14-2006, 11:53 PM

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threads like this happen like twice a day, call and it's not close. think about all the times this happens and you see some bs hand you dominate...

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its different when stacks are deeper than 100bb. its definitely not an obvious call.

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yea my bad didn't realize it was 4bb raised to 12.5bb re-raised to 175bb. unless villain is a total maniac here i don't call with anything but aa. terrible risk reward, so basically the opposite of what i said in my first post.

scorer · #29 07-14-2006, 11:53 PM

A guy raising preflop 10 percent of the time is VERY unlikely to be raisng to 300 with A/K Very unlikely

mak15 · #30 07-14-2006, 11:54 PM

if neither of you're are doing anything out of line, i think this is a fold.

all those saying this could be QQ, this is QQ 0% of the time. this is AA that don't want to 4bet and give away their hand so you play perfectly postflop, and also doesn't want to just call and play one pair postflop with so much money behind, so he pushes, figuring hero might call with the premium hand he repped with the 3 bet.

the hands you beat here are AK and random trash, but if you are 3betting with a tight range and he is playing normal, then trash doesn't make sense here.