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Old 07-13-2006, 02:45 PM
Joroy70 Joroy70 is offline
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Default KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

Vilain sees flop 29% of the time and his PF raise is about 10%.

You call or fold ?? and why?


Vilain as 350, Hero covers and SB

6 Folds
Vilain raise to 8$
I reraise to 25$ with KK
He push for 350.???

You call or fold??
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:35 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

fold
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Old 07-13-2006, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

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Old 07-13-2006, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

Without a read, I call this everytime. People happily push QQ and AK here as well.
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

HOW MANY HANDS is absoutely essential. If he has more than 250 hands I call and less than 250.. damnit...I call. I expect to see AK here.
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

common sense says fold, but I have seen this with QQ & AK so much that you might want to call. He might be sick of you reraising, or view it as a steal, or think QQ/AK is the nuts... etc.
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

call, you see aa < 50% here

he probably thinks youre restealing from him and pushes with jj qq ak aa
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

I call. I see this kind of move all the time at these stakes and it really screams AK. It is rare IMO to find a player that would make a large overbet with AA here. Id honestly be more scared if we got repopped the pot. That being said, having 175 BB makes this decision interesting.

Some things can influence my willingness to call here though.

Have you been reraising him a lot prior to this hand? If thats the case then he might be fed up with you. If you havent reraised someone ever, he might put you on a very strong hand and think that youll call his overbet, which means he could have AA.

How has this person been playing? His stats dont tell us a whole lot especially if its a small sample size. Has he made any BIG mistakes?

You usually just have to go with your read here. If you think this person is capable of making this move with AA (I doubt he is) than fold.
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

Peoples... villains are not pushing 1,75 buyins over the top without the nuts. Most likely does he take this route because he is uncomfortable playing for such a big stack with just one pair, where it can be hard to distinguish hero's overpair from a set on a board like 4TJ.
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: KK Vs an all-in bet PF Deep Stack 1-2NL

He's opening from the button? Call.
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