timing tells and a hand

[suited77]

yeah, but then again, some people are multi-tabling, esp. at 5/10
to use the time-tell, then do periodic checks to see if any of your opponents are at any other tables

[milesdyson]

Jake,

when the pause gets too long i begin to ignore it. i think in certain spots the fast click and then just the barely delayed click mean certain things. the delayed c/r has very often been - well, a hand that folded to my 3-bet.


sharpobject -

i dont know, they werent folding today


that fish -

i am a huge idiot lagtard. i need to chill preflop, seriously.

bobhalford, suited77 -

if i know someone is multitabling (i do because im usually sitting at every table), i will discount any tell i might think i see.

[CrayZee]

I haven't read through the whole thread, but my favorite tells are the auto-raise (esp. from a tight pre-flop raiser) and the "pause raise" (esp. on the river--now that's acting!).

You can glean some info sometimes when you believe they are thinking about a hand. This often means what it is: they have a marginal hand and don't know if they should continue or dump (sometimes the exact opposite). Sometimes randomly-timed actions are from multitablers not getting to the hand yet, etc...so I would suspect that timing tells aren't as reliable for better, but perhaps not great, players.

You also have to watch out for your own pauses in action. If they see you acting really quickly all the time and something happens and you can't get to the hand for whatever reason, villains may actually think it's a tell even if it's not...but they may respond differently.

[Guruman]

miles is my hero.

Notes on villain:
river chekcraise bluff
threebet 88 pf from button
turn checkraise semibluff

sb: Small Blind ($1.00)
ThGuruman: Big Blind ($2.00)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to ThGuruman: [ 6s Jc ]
utg: Fold ($0.00)
mpr: Fold ($0.00)
co: Call ($2.00)
button: Fold ($0.00)
sb: Fold ($0.00)
ThGuruman: Check ($0.00)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [ Ad 6d Kh ]
ThGuruman: Bet ($2.00)
co: Call ($2.00)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [ Ac ]
ThGuruman: Bet ($4.00)
co pause pause pause pause pause: Raise ($8.00)
ThGuruman pause pause : Raise ($8.00)
co: autoFold ($0.00)
** End Round **

[vmacosta]

I use "timing tells" to semibluff 3bet the turn when I'm running good. I think it was you who told me 3 bet semibluffing the turn was almost never correct. I only mildly disagreed with you then. Good to see you are using "timing tells" to come around [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

BTW- I like your line in the first hand against the right opponent without a timing tell. The one where you had AQo takes more balls then I probably have though.

[milesdyson]

here's a timing tell hand from today.

villain is a 2+2er. converter isnt working so deal with it kindly

STAGE #380711549: HOLDEM NORMAL $5/$10 - 2006-06-12 22:23:14 (ET)
Table: ROCKY MOUNT (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 9 - <font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> ($301.81 in chips)
Seat 3 - randomap5/10moron1 ($113 in chips)
Seat 5 - randomap5/10moron2 ($82.11 in chips)
Seat 6 - randomap5/10moron3 ($175.92 in chips)
Seat 8 - <font color="red">milesdyson</font> ($302 in chips)
randomap5/10moron1 - Posts small blind $3
randomap5/10moron2 - Posts big blind $5
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to <font color="red">milesdyson</font> [Kh Qd]
randomap5/10moron3 - Folds
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Raises $10 to $10
<font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> - Raises $15 to $15
randomap5/10moron1 - Folds
randomap5/10moron2 - Folds
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Ad 3s 10c]
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Checks
<font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> - Bets $5
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Raises $10 to $10
<font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> - Raises $10 to $15 &lt;--- hello timing tell.
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Raises $10 to $20 &lt;--- hello getting capped
<font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> - Calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ad 3s 10c] [9h]
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Bets $10
<font color="blue">2+2foldersons</font> - Folds &lt;--- hello pwn
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - returned ($10) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> - Does not show
<font color="red">milesdyson</font> Collects $75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($78) | Rake ($3)
Board [Ad 3s 10c 9h]

[hitMySet]

First, you just wanted to brag about a nice call (which it is). If I have a previous history with a player, and he starts auto betting me, I find that often they are bluffing. (that is if they are the type who would not usually bet so fast with a strong hand.)

[FUJItheFISH]

dont use timing tells much miles. but i dont think that was why you decided to 3-bet the turn here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. river raise would have been sick as just calling a 3-bet and donking the river is such a rarely used form of extraction with a big hand since c/ring you would be the default play 95% of the time. that 5d is one of the best cards other than an 8 you could see as it keeps the board fairly spread and unflushable.

you felt you were best on the turn so i think you should still feel you were best on that river card. and i can understand that the villain probably doesnt call us with whiffs but he may be retarded enough to show down ace high. the villain had king hi this hand and im thinking he mucks but you never know.

[milesdyson]

this is another against someone who has posted here before

he limps in MP (odd)

i raise KJo without thinking otb.

blinds fold. he just calls - good.

flop T84r, 5.66 sb.

he donks quickly, i call (probably a bad call)

turn the money card J (pot 3.83 bb)

he waits a little and checks. i check behind.

river 2r

he bets, i call.

he had 44.

bad play + good results?

[1_lucky_one]

Was this me? I'm such a tard.

Anyways, yeah timing tells are huge. It's not really those few long drawn out pauses, but those everyhand millisecond pauses that keep adding up. I really think that the key, atleast for me, is to not overthink it, and almost just let the subconscious do it's thing. I had a hand against anechaka the other day (who's a talented tag for those who don't know), where we went 4 bets, each holding Q high. No doubt we both had reads on one another.