timing tells and a hand

milesdyson · #1 06-09-2006, 11:48 PM

do you guys use timing tells?

i dont think we can actually talk about "how long" something takes to mean something, but its interesting nonetheless. krishan made a post "Blink as it relates to poker" in mid-high recently, which is, i guess, an interesting book that might relate to poker.

i would like this thread to be one for hands where you think you used a timing tell. post one whether you were right or not.

in this hand, on the turn, i did not believe this guy - obviously, or i would not 3-bet third pair. so i 3-bet him to get to the showdown for free instead of having to call and call again. when he bet the river, wow, i just thought, no way, so i called. what can i say, im a big fish (this guy was 38/5/2 btw)

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.6SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.3BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.3BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.3BB
BB Shows Ks 10c
Hero Shows 8s 8c

shpanko · #2 06-09-2006, 11:59 PM

On which street did you pick up on the timing tell and what was your thought process in interpreting it? Also I really like your call on the river (even though this may seem results oriented) because obviously the 5 didn't help his hand unless he's on Q5 off or 95o and if he'd hit a draw with 78 I should think he'd try to check raise and so in his mind the only way to win is to bluff at the pot. Again I'd like to hear where the timing tell was in the hand.

Mathieu · #3 06-10-2006, 12:10 AM

Hero raises in MP with AK, loose and somewhat aggressive villain calls on button, BB calls.

Flop comes 952r, check, Hero bets, villain calls, BB folds.

Turn brings a 7 putting 2 diamonds out there. Hero takes longer than usual and bets, villain insta raises.

Felt this insta raise post flop, now that it was HU was a typical "strong when weak" so I called him down. He had QJo and MHIG. It helped that the flop was 3 way as I thought he would have raised if he had a piece of it. But I usually muck AK there without a better read, so I guess the timing tell was key.

Buzz-cp · #4 06-10-2006, 12:21 AM

wtf

milesdyson · #5 06-10-2006, 01:58 AM

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wtf

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that was back when i just didnt believe in anything. i used the timeless excuse "what is he's peeing, what if his baby is playing on his account, what if he sneezed." blah blah blah. timing tells are real.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.67SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.83BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 9.83BB

milesdyson · #6 06-10-2006, 02:00 AM

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.67SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.33BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.33BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: 9.33BB
Hero Shows As Qh
He had two diamonds, mhig

milesdyson · #7 06-10-2006, 02:01 AM

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.67SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.83BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 7.83BB

milesdyson · #8 06-10-2006, 02:02 AM

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.67SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.83BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 8.83BB

milesdyson · #9 06-10-2006, 02:03 AM

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2.8SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2.4BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: 4.4BB

milesdyson · #10 06-10-2006, 02:07 AM

dont get me wrong, i have obviously made plays like this that didnt work. of course i choose not to remember those ones so i cant exactly find them to post here.