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#11
06-05-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
Raising a weak bet like that on the flop when I raised pre-flop is pretty standard for me even when I miss. I'm risking about the same as a standard cbet, maybe a touch more, for a even bigger pot, which I take down suprisingly often.
However, I will say that when I get called is when I get myself into the most trouble double barrelling and the like [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] 
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#12
06-05-2006, 05:55 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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However, I will say that when I get called is when I get myself into the most trouble double barrelling and the like [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Same here. We should team up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#13
06-05-2006, 06:14 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] However, I will say that when I get called is when I get myself into the most trouble double barrelling and the like [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Same here. We should team up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I usually ask myself before raising this flop if K-high (with no draw) is worth losing 20+ or possibly 60+ in a $16 pot... And then I fold. At least 80-90% of the time.
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#14
06-05-2006, 06:17 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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I usually ask myself before raising this flop if K-high (with no draw) is worth losing 20+ or possibly 60+ in a $16 pot... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I always fold aces preflop, too, cos it's not worth potentially loosing my stack in a 1.5BB pot.
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#15
06-05-2006, 06:31 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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[ QUOTE ] I usually ask myself before raising this flop if K-high (with no draw) is worth losing 20+ or possibly 60+ in a $16 pot... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I always fold aces preflop, too, cos it's not worth potentially loosing my stack in a 1.5BB pot. [/ QUOTE ] What I mean is that if donk bets into us after we raise pf, and we have zip at best, there is usually little use in trying to bluff the way out of it unless villain is TAG or very weak. And most opponents are either TAGs or that weak after donking into the pfr
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#16
06-05-2006, 06:33 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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[ QUOTE ] I usually ask myself before raising this flop if K-high (with no draw) is worth losing 20+ or possibly 60+ in a $16 pot... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I always fold aces preflop, too, cos it's not worth potentially loosing my stack in a 1.5BB pot. [/ QUOTE ] And Aces are not the same as K-high.
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#17
06-05-2006, 06:53 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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I would usually check here. People tend to 'make a decision' when raised on the flop like this and nothing has fallen off to make him reevaluate. [/ QUOTE ] What if you knew for sure he was on 67 or a flush draw? In both cases he won't fold if he hits some other outs, like with 67 if he hits another 6 or 7 he won't fold either. With a flush draw if he hits his ace he won't fold. I guess if I had ace high I'd be more inclined to check it down and hopefully be ahead of his flush draw. One nasty thing is I don't know if he's on the 67 or the flush draw. To get him off the 67 I'd have to bet the river even if it was a heart. If I'm going to check scare cards that doubles his outs. I have to check a 3,6,7,8,A, or heart. So, it seems to me triple-barreling is bad here because of that uncertainty, but if the flop was a little more obvious about what draw he's on, triple barreling is probably +EV.
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#18
06-05-2006, 07:10 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I usually ask myself before raising this flop if K-high (with no draw) is worth losing 20+ or possibly 60+ in a $16 pot... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. I always fold aces preflop, too, cos it's not worth potentially loosing my stack in a 1.5BB pot. [/ QUOTE ] What I mean is that if donk bets into us after we raise pf, and we have zip at best, there is usually little use in trying to bluff the way out of it unless villain is TAG or very weak. And most opponents are either TAGs or that weak after donking into the pfr [/ QUOTE ] This is a better argument. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] However, from a lot of players this kind of bet is a weak or marginal hand that they're willing to lay down, often middle pair or a small pp or just air. In this case raising is a good play. Raising here is standard for me and it's been profitable overall. [ QUOTE ] And Aces are not the same as K-high. [/ QUOTE ] No, but +EV is +EV, regardless of whether you have the nuts or a bluff. It's nsg to focus on what you could loose, rather than on your expectation.
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#20
06-05-2006, 07:27 PM
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Re: Defending my raise
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Why raise the flop? Unless you know he's a weak player. You have no draws except two overs. Could someone explain to me why? [/ QUOTE ] To make him fold a better hand.
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