In the money, AKo in the SB - Page 2

Nez477 · #11 01-09-2006, 04:24 PM

Just for the record, I never said the table loosened up since the bubble burst. It had been very tight before the bubble and hasn't shown much difference since.

Brad

Nez477 · #12 01-09-2006, 04:30 PM

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Interesting hand.

You have played with him for half an hour so what does your gut tell you? Did he notice MP1's minraise before and is trying a re-steal or do he have the goods here? What does your instinct tell you? Have BU made any steals earlier that you know of or suspects? I can't really answer what to do since I didn't play the hand but without any reads personally and the miss of the gut feeling, I fold this...

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I haven't seen resteals preflop without the goods. He did like to make 1/3 pot bets post flop out of position with hands he could fold, but I hadn't seen him make pre-flop reraises without some kind of goods.

My gut told me to fold..... so I folded. But I was just wondering what other felt about the situation, as I really struggled with the decision.

Brad

Sirckus · #13 01-09-2006, 05:12 PM

Intersting that you folded. You have 12,600 and it costs you ~1,600 per round. You are passing up a potential double (triple?) up opportunity here based on your read of Button.

Now I'm not accusing (because I suck and would probably make the call instantly and OR would have KK and Button would have AA) However that's my tourney trouble, not yours...

So you've seen Button show some strong hands, but how many pots have you seen him relative to that number of strong hands? Have you seen him try the "powerplay" only to back off after being played back at? If the table has been tight, do you think you'll have the opportunity to steal a couple of blinds and stay alive for more than the ~7 rounds that you have left? When you do get the premium "double up hand" that you are waiting for, what are the chances that it gets folded around and you only get the blinds?

I think with all those considerations, it's telling me that I gotta push in this situation. As you said, the next few pay levels are going to get you much more $. Especially at FT where the levels are going up pretty much every orbit.

Nez477 · #14 01-09-2006, 05:28 PM

Ya, in retrospect it seems kind of weak-tight I guess. I just start to see demons with any person who I label as tight making a strong reraise.

I was able to double up later and eventually took fifth. But....

MP1 called and showed 88. Button showed QQ. Flop A-7-4, turn is another Ace to add to the insult.

Even with the results, I think it is a close decision.

Brad

Heaven · #15 01-09-2006, 05:35 PM

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Even with the results, I think it was a good decision.

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seke2 · #16 01-09-2006, 05:41 PM

Big Slick has me baffled. I really don't understand why this was a good decision to fold and why in the other AK thread going now, everyone is screaming that Hero should be calling a push.

Heaven · #17 01-09-2006, 05:44 PM

Shortstack push vs MP1 minraise (not that we should put much value into that from Hero's reads) and buttons reraise. Two different situations that requires two different approaches.

Dave D · #18 01-09-2006, 05:51 PM

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Ya, in retrospect it seems kind of weak-tight I guess. I just start to see demons with any person who I label as tight making a strong reraise.

I was able to double up later and eventually took fifth. But....

MP1 called and showed 88. Button showed QQ. Flop A-7-4, turn is another Ace to add to the insult.

Even with the results, I think it is an awful decision.

Brad

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This is exaclty why you would push. You want those kinds of hands in it with you. And it's very likely that this would happen. You're ~35% to win 22,000. I'm not sure how I would consider the shorty/deadmoney/sidepot situation, but I know it's +EV for you.

seke2 · #19 01-09-2006, 05:54 PM

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Shortstack push vs MP1 minraise (not that we should put much value into that from Hero's reads) and buttons reraise. Two different situations that requires two different approaches.

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That's it. Next I'm dealt AK at a casino, I'm folding it face up and going to cry in the corner for 30 minutes. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

seke2 · #20 01-09-2006, 06:00 PM

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Shortstack push vs MP1 minraise (not that we should put much value into that from Hero's reads) and buttons reraise. Two different situations that requires two different approaches.

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See if anything, I think this one is more a clear push while the other one is a marginal fold. Yet the popular opinion in the threads runs the opposite of my thinking. Here, you're so short-stacked that I didn't think you could pass on this chance, plus the big raise looks like you're going to be up against a hand that doesn't want action, not against AA/KK, so there's a good chance we've at least got a coinflip to get ourselves back up to a reasonable stack. In the other thread, I thought we had enough chips to pass on a marginal +EV situation for later situations.

Meh. Sucks to AK!