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09-21-2007, 01:18 AM
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$12 180 man turbo
Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600)
9-max Seat #8 is the button BB: Hero (10380 in chips) BUTTON: Villian (13670 in chips) *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [As 8c] 1: folds 2: folds 3: folds 4: folds 5: folds 6: folds Villian: raises 11920 to 13520 and is all-in SB: folds Hero: ?? 3750 in middle before the raise from blinds and antes This Hand was RIGHT after the bubble 17 people left 1st 594 2nd 396 . . . 9th $33.66 10-18 $23.76 
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#2
09-21-2007, 01:59 AM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
With M=2.5 you need to gamble and I think your hand is good enough to do so.
If button is a good player he should push very wide here and after posting the BB you get good odds to call here - so i would call.
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#3
09-21-2007, 10:31 AM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
borderline...any reads...i play a lot of these and A 8 is about the cutoff for calling or raising...if the button has been aggressive I gamble cause you are really short....if you can steal I may pass but probably not...I like to win them and people will push ATC in this spot from the button
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#6
09-21-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
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read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack. I would call this [/ QUOTE ] I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight.
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#7
09-21-2007, 01:14 PM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
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[ QUOTE ] read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack. I would call this [/ QUOTE ] I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight. [/ QUOTE ]
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#8
09-21-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
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Depends what the stacks on your left are like, but generally fold. [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] read dependent really, but if button is any good he should be pushing any2 cards if folded to with his stack. I would call this [/ QUOTE ] I agree... I'd only find a fold here if this guy's passed on multiple pushbot opportunities already and has been generally tight. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Yes.
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#9
09-21-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: $12 180 man turbo
Average stack with 18 people left is like 15000 but with the bubble already broken I'd have to wait for 8 more people to be eliminated in order to move up in money and if thats the case I want to have chips to go at it at the final table.
Being it also a turbo the blinds would be raising really soon lowering my M my question is How tight does the original raiser have to be in order to fold this hand. If I fold this hand I'd have to allin ATC pretty soon after and if any of the big stacks choose to raise before, wouldn't I have to call with a marginal hand soon anyway?
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#10
09-21-2007, 02:04 PM
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RESULTS OF - $12 180 man turbo hand in question
I snap called figuring his range would be really wide. He had 98o and my A8o held. Guy decided to spend the next 10 minutes as observer complaining about how I risked everything on A8o, citing his poker resume and how close to pro he is. So I decided to humor him and "audit" my play so I become better. I don't really see how I can fold this unless I can narrow the initial raiser to top 10 hand. Allin from Button in a $12/180 usually doesn't scream top 10 hand to me.
Please help me see the light if I'm terribly wrong in my thinking. if its a 50/50 decision I'm even cool with that, but I think this is a call more than half the time. Which decision gives me the best chance of winning the entire thing? If I fold this, what am I saving my chips to allin with? And am I forced to call sometime in the next orbit either way if blinds change to 1000/2000? I'd have 8900 chips or so I think if I folded.
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