ME FLOP PAIR ME NO FOLD SPEW

HOWMANY · #1 03-10-2007, 08:52 PM

40 full live, running well. I 3bet villain the hand right before this w/ AJ and won it with a flop bet. I forgot who BB was, I think he was a tight not good but not awful player. Villain I think plays for a living but is pretty bad and makes your generic live player mistakes like coldcalling or limping in late position.

4 folds to villain who raises. I 3bet AJ of red, BB calls, villain calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Check to me, I bet, BB c/r, villain call, I call planning to probably raise a friendly turn. I don't know if I'm going to take a free showdown or value bet the river yet, but if I know me then I will probably bet.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB bets, villain raises, I want to fold, but I FLOPPED A PAIR, so I drop the hammer of justice with a three bet, this one is definitely for a free showdown unless I spike a J exactly.

The rest of the hand is not worth talking about.

bakku · #2 03-10-2007, 09:07 PM

villain sounds like one of those guys who will pretty much always have you beat here, i'd fold to the turn raise

jfk · #3 03-10-2007, 09:25 PM

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Villain... makes ...mistakes like coldcalling or limping in late position.

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villain...raises. I 3bet AJ of red

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These two do not go together.

A tight big blind is has come along and is mixing it up on a scary board.

You're three betting the turn with probable a bronze metal hand and possibly no redraws.

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villain sounds like one of those guys who will pretty much always have you beat here, i'd fold to the turn raise

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...is the advice I'd follow, though if everything aligns right you may get the BB to fold something like a non-[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] AQ and somehow catch the villain with weird hand like K,Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] but I'm not sure I'd like to bet money on that outcome.

poker1O1 · #4 03-10-2007, 10:32 PM

yea, i'd fold and wouldn't lose any sleep over it. villian is showing a good amount of strength here.

vmacosta · #5 03-10-2007, 11:03 PM

Oh my god you are so badly beaten. You win here like 1/100.

(I do similarly stupid things every session and every once in a blue moon this works as a bluff)

lil' · #6 03-10-2007, 11:43 PM

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Villain... makes ...mistakes like coldcalling or limping in late position.

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I agree with those who say fold the turn. To put it plainly, guys who cold call a lot and open limp in late position usually don't have the balls to raise the turn unless they have something better than your pair.

Moneyline · #7 03-11-2007, 12:46 AM

Chalk me up as another vote for folding the turn.

william288 · #8 03-11-2007, 12:49 AM

i think flop is a fold after c/r and villian call 2 cold.

the only hand we are ahead of bb after he call 3bet pf on bb and c/r that board, is Kx Qs(it's likely but less likely), even with which he has tons of outs. I think i am done right there and then.

surfdoc · #9 03-11-2007, 12:53 AM

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i think flop is a fold after c/r and villian call 2 cold.

the only hand we are ahead of bb after he call 3bet pf on bb and c/r that board, is Kx Qs(it's likely but less likely), even with which he has tons of outs. I think i am done right there and then.

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That would be very bad.

william288 · #10 03-11-2007, 12:58 AM

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i think flop is a fold after c/r and villian call 2 cold.

the only hand we are ahead of bb after he call 3bet pf on bb and c/r that board, is Kx Qs(it's likely but less likely), even with which he has tons of outs. I think i am done right there and then.

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That would be very bad.

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why?

if HU, i may call down.

against Kx Qs, we are actually slightly underdog.
again 2 pair, after villian's cold call, we are likely drawing 2 outs.

plus chance for drawing dead