Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop

Joshua · #1 05-16-2006, 11:59 AM

UTG is 41/30 LAG. MP is 27/15 TAG. (BB is 36/3)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP 3-bets, Hero calls.

- At what point do I put MP on aces and nothing but aces? Right now or preflop when he cold-called and then capped in a 3-way pot?

- Can/should I get away from my hand if unimproved on further street(s)?

krishan · #2 05-16-2006, 12:02 PM

I've never seen anyone do this except me. I have KK/AA here. Since I have never seen anyone else do it I don't know what range to use.

Krishan

PartyGirlUK · #3 05-16-2006, 12:05 PM

I've seen this quite a few times. It is always some bs hand. Never seen AA or KK here.

Kyle · #4 05-16-2006, 12:11 PM

This usually is a mid pair or a hand like JTs. I am going to cap flop and if he leads into me on the turn call down. If I get CR on turn feel bad and call down like a donkey [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

True · #5 05-16-2006, 12:27 PM

This exact hand happened to me earlier today, the call/raiser had AKs. I see fish do it with A-xs a lot too.

True

Magikist · #6 05-16-2006, 12:41 PM

This is not ALWAYS AA, KK, AK, but in my experience it's one of those a high majority of the time. The only times this has been something like 89s or JTs is from fishy players. Because MP looks like a TAG and because it was only 3-way back to him when he capped, this is probably AA a lot of the time.

Even if it's a good multiway hand, players usually give up on flops they miss. Unless you have a terrible image, if he's still playing back at you, the very worst he has is spades, so he's got a lot of outs against you.

If you know this player well and you're sure he's a reasonable TAG, I think you could find a fold unimproved on the turn.

If he's any kind of unknown, or your image is bad or something like that, then a call down could be justified.

mute · #7 05-16-2006, 01:21 PM

I think you are going to see some big suited connectors here often. Like KQ, KJ, QJ, JT. I can't recall having seen anyone TAGish play AA/KK/AK this way, but I guess it is a possibility also.

I would call down from the flop 3-bet.

flawless_victory · #8 05-16-2006, 03:57 PM

this is one of those spots where u just call down all the way and hope for the best.
i do see AA here alot.

Evigt_Drabbad · #9 05-16-2006, 04:44 PM

I had a similar hand two days ago, button is retarded like 55/17/1 and i was on tilt like always.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, CO raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls, Button caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qc (full house, queens full of sevens).
Button has Ad Kd (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.50 BB.

Joshua · #10 05-16-2006, 07:05 PM

I agree that my opponent may have AKs but if he has AA,KK,AKs I still can't call down profitably (there is only one combination of AKs left for him to have). I really need to add at least AKo to his hand range in order to call down. If he does it with Axs the stats I have on him are very inaccurate but that wouldn't be the first time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]