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Joshua 05-16-2006 11:59 AM

Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
UTG is 41/30 LAG. MP is 27/15 TAG. (BB is 36/3)

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

- At what point do I put MP on aces and nothing but aces? Right now or preflop when he cold-called and then capped in a 3-way pot?

- Can/should I get away from my hand if unimproved on further street(s)?

krishan 05-16-2006 12:02 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
I've never seen anyone do this except me. I have KK/AA here. Since I have never seen anyone else do it I don't know what range to use.

Krishan

PartyGirlUK 05-16-2006 12:05 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
I've seen this quite a few times. It is always some bs hand. Never seen AA or KK here.

Kyle 05-16-2006 12:11 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
This usually is a mid pair or a hand like JTs. I am going to cap flop and if he leads into me on the turn call down. If I get CR on turn feel bad and call down like a donkey [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

True 05-16-2006 12:27 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
This exact hand happened to me earlier today, the call/raiser had AKs. I see fish do it with A-xs a lot too.

True

Magikist 05-16-2006 12:41 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
This is not ALWAYS AA, KK, AK, but in my experience it's one of those a high majority of the time. The only times this has been something like 89s or JTs is from fishy players. Because MP looks like a TAG and because it was only 3-way back to him when he capped, this is probably AA a lot of the time.

Even if it's a good multiway hand, players usually give up on flops they miss. Unless you have a terrible image, if he's still playing back at you, the very worst he has is spades, so he's got a lot of outs against you.

If you know this player well and you're sure he's a reasonable TAG, I think you could find a fold unimproved on the turn.

If he's any kind of unknown, or your image is bad or something like that, then a call down could be justified.

mute 05-16-2006 01:21 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
I think you are going to see some big suited connectors here often. Like KQ, KJ, QJ, JT. I can't recall having seen anyone TAGish play AA/KK/AK this way, but I guess it is a possibility also.

I would call down from the flop 3-bet.

flawless_victory 05-16-2006 03:57 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
this is one of those spots where u just call down all the way and hope for the best.
i do see AA here alot.

Evigt_Drabbad 05-16-2006 04:44 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
I had a similar hand two days ago, button is retarded like 55/17/1 and i was on tilt like always.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qc (full house, queens full of sevens).
Button has Ad Kd (two pair, aces and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.50 BB. </font>

Joshua 05-16-2006 07:05 PM

Re: Opponent cold-calls then caps preflop
 
I agree that my opponent may have AKs but if he has AA,KK,AKs I still can't call down profitably (there is only one combination of AKs left for him to have). I really need to add at least AKo to his hand range in order to call down. If he does it with Axs the stats I have on him are very inaccurate but that wouldn't be the first time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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