The big Fossilman hand of yesterday

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IMO, the only really bad thing that Greg's opponent did was make that size turn raise. If he's going to call Greg's re-raise, he's better off pushing there. In fact, he may well move Greg off of KK with a push there, depending on Greg's read. The guy made an incorrect read based on Greg's flop bet that Greg was weak. Had Greg actually had something weaker and had folded on the turn, would there be this uproar about this hand? I doubt it.

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Greg would have still had a healthy stack, not need for an uproar on the hand, just one more hand in the tournament.

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It was pretty ragged. I think it was like 963 with a 4 on the turn or something. At least that's what Raymer said in his cardplayer interview.

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Funny, in the interview I watched he said it was 356 or something like that.

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lets not forget that Kantor should not have even been in the final 27 if it wasnt for that big suckout on Neverwin.
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Dustin Woolf and Aaron Kanter both get their money in preflop. Kanter shows 10-10, while Woolf has A-K. The flop comes A-K-3, and Woolf is way ahead. A 10 spikes on the turn, and Kanter now has trips. The river is a Jack and Woolf is eliminated. Kanter now has more than $2,000,000.

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I guess for Kantor's sake its better to be lucky than good.

[superleeds]

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In another post down the page I explain how I think Kantor should have played the hand

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I fail to see how he could of extracted any more money, but if it makes you happy [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mlagoo]

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"How bout throwin your hand away when you flop no pair and no draw, ever heard of doin that?"

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Yeah, you tell them Matusow.

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Mike Matusow limps on the button, and Tex Barch follows him in. The flop comes Qh-Jc-2c. Tex checks, and Matusow bets out $36,000 in chips. Tex calls. The turn is the 5h. Tex checks again, and Matusow makes it $100,000 to go. Tex calls again. The river is the Kh. Tex checks again, and Matusow goes into the tank. He comes up firing, making a $250,000 bet. Now it's Tex's turn to go in the tank. Eventually he calls, and Matusow shows 8h-6h for the flush. Tex mucks his hand. Matusow now has $3,130,000. Tex has $1,530,000.



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this is a bit different. matusow was betting out, trying to take the pot down on the flop. he got called, then picked up a flush draw. not really the same thing.

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Exactly. Can absolutely not compare betting with nothing and calling with nothing.

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IMO, the only really bad thing that Greg's opponent did was make that size turn raise. If he's going to call Greg's re-raise, he's better off pushing there. In fact, he may well move Greg off of KK with a push there, depending on Greg's read. The guy made an incorrect read based on Greg's flop bet that Greg was weak. Had Greg actually had something weaker and had folded on the turn, would there be this uproar about this hand? I doubt it.

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If my math is correct, he also didn't have the odds to call Greg's push.

There was 200K+300K+1600K+100K ~ 2200K or so in the pot before Greg's raise. If he started with 1800-1900K then he has about 800K left when Greg pushes. so hes getting 3000K:800K or about 3.75:1 on his call.

He has to know his Qs and Js are no good here. But then again, Negreanu has talked about making "bad" calls in spots like this if folding will leave you crippled, so maybe its still correct.

Edit: I guess he also has 3 draws to a chop (assuming Greg doesn't have a made straight) so he only needs 3.6-1 to call. So I guess the final call is fine.

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"How bout throwin your hand away when you flop no pair and no draw, ever heard of doin that?"

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Yeah, you tell them Matusow.

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Mike Matusow limps on the button, and Tex Barch follows him in. The flop comes Qh-Jc-2c. Tex checks, and Matusow bets out $36,000 in chips. Tex calls. The turn is the 5h. Tex checks again, and Matusow makes it $100,000 to go. Tex calls again. The river is the Kh. Tex checks again, and Matusow goes into the tank. He comes up firing, making a $250,000 bet. Now it's Tex's turn to go in the tank. Eventually he calls, and Matusow shows 8h-6h for the flush. Tex mucks his hand. Matusow now has $3,130,000. Tex has $1,530,000.



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FYP

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lets not forget that Kantor should not have even been in the final 27 if it wasnt for that big suckout on Neverwin.
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Dustin Woolf and Aaron Kanter both get their money in preflop. Kanter shows 10-10, while Woolf has A-K. The flop comes A-K-3, and Woolf is way ahead. A 10 spikes on the turn, and Kanter now has trips. The river is a Jack and Woolf is eliminated. Kanter now has more than $2,000,000.

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I guess for Kantor's sake its better to be lucky than good.

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What a lucksack beating AK with TT. Donkeys always draw.

[PITTM]

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lets not forget that Kantor should not have even been in the final 27 if it wasnt for that big suckout on Neverwin.
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Dustin Woolf and Aaron Kanter both get their money in preflop. Kanter shows 10-10, while Woolf has A-K. The flop comes A-K-3, and Woolf is way ahead. A 10 spikes on the turn, and Kanter now has trips. The river is a Jack and Woolf is eliminated. Kanter now has more than $2,000,000.

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I guess for Kantor's sake its better to be lucky than good.

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oi vei...when you get your money in in a coinflip and your opponent gets a flop that puts them ahead and you get a turn to go ahead, you havent "sucked out on them" youve "won a coinflip".

rj