Tough river decision against unknown

[Acevader]

Can someone please explain the theory why check-calling has a lower expectation than shoving or check-folding?

[Jamougha]

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Can someone please explain the theory why check-calling has a lower expectation than shoving or check-folding?

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If you check-call he is betting flush, straight and checking most other things. If you shove he will call with tp and stuff surprisingly often.

[Nick Royale]

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Can someone please explain the theory why check-calling has a lower expectation than shoving or check-folding?

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Villain is likely to check behind with everything worse than QJ (a lot of players even check QJ). Almost all draws hit so a check won't induce bluffs from missed draws. Basically his calling range is much wider than his betting range.

[Acevader]

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If you shove he will call with tp and stuff surprisingly often.

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I guess that is where I was failing to see the logic - I just can't imagine villain will call these hands that often. Maybe that's because I'd bet a flush draw the same way (i.e double barrel then shove when I hit it). I guess there is a lot to be said for check-fold if villain isn't the sort to call without a very strong hand here if you push but would check nearly everything that wasn't beating you if you check to him.

[ibuckyourfutt]

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I think a blocking bet of about $55 is best here. I think you can still fold to his push

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Thats probably best agaisnt an unknown....although a good player will see that blocking bet as weakness and might push without the flush.

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yeah but i dont think that kind of villain is all that common at ssnl... besides the river hit T9 also, anything else hed call flop/turn with has sd value

disclaimer: i havent played poker or been on 2+2 in months

[Barrin6]

Yea hand converter messed up, villain has 100bb. So you guys are using the same line against unknown and a 46/10? Having stats changes nothing?