Tough river decision against unknown

[Barrin6]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $190.00
BB: $325.30
UTG: $265.10
Hero (MP): $211.20
CO: $24.70
BTN: $0.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO calls $7.00, BTN calls $7.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($24) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $18.00

Turn: ($60) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $46.00</font>, BTN calls $46.00

River: ($152) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???????


Ok I have two questions.
what would you do here on river if you decided to check and uknown villain shoved?
Now how about 43/10/1.5 and who has a 20% fold to c-bet, how would you play and if check do you call a shove?

[GBP04]

I think a blocking bet of about $55 is best here. I think you can still fold to his push

[wrkingtobegreat]

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I think a blocking bet of about $55 is best here. I think you can still fold to his push

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Thats probably best agaisnt an unknown....although a good player will see that blocking bet as weakness and might push without the flush.

[Fonkey123]

Push, it's not close.

edit compared to check/calling edit

shove or check/fold any other line sucks check/calling lets u get owned so hard

[2Paul2]

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Push, it's not close.

edit compared to check/calling edit

shove or check/fold any other line sucks check/calling lets u get owned so hard

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Assuming 100bbs what he said.

I may c/f against unknown.

Def shove v 46/10.

Paul

[TehVader]

Why doesn't button have any money?

I'm c/f if it's an unknown nit, is that really bad?

[Khon]

I shove this, think he has a lower set more often than the flush, and if he's that loose he will call.

Anyway would be nice to know how much money he had, though to be honest I shove here no matter what. More money in the pot then you have, so the way I figure it if he has the set you triple your current stack, if he has 2-pair he probably folds (small chance of call) in which case you double your stack, if he has the flush you're out of luck, but at least you made the right play.

[Khon]

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I think a blocking bet of about $55 is best here. I think you can still fold to his push

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If he does that the pot will be around 260$ with hero having 80$ left, are you really folding the top set with better than 4:1 pot odds ?

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

c/f (obv call a small bet) and push are roughly neutral ev it would appear

[Unknown Soldier]

yeah c/c def worse line (as tuff_fish should now be able to tell you [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])