A hand vs Rizen in stars 109 double stack

There's so many damn ways to play this "optimally." What I mean is, playing optimally would require playing a different way everytime. Which move is right this time really does depend on your history with Rizen. Does he think you're capable of 4-betting light on the Button? What does he think you think of his SB 3-betting range from a Button open-raise from a good player?

Anyway, in a vacuum, my preference here is to call his 3-bet PF. Call flop (I do think Rizen is capable of folding QQ to a flop raise here). Call/bet turn. Call/bet river.

[Heir_Aparent]

i think callin preflop is 10000x better than reraising, generalyl speaking.

rizen's oop and u dont wanna blow him off j10s/k10/ blahblabh the millions of hands in his range. Call flop and give him a chance to hang himself or value bet thin like some1 else said.

without more history this looks like super std line

[Eagles]

Raising the flop is really bad IMO unless you have laggy enough image to induce a bluff reshove from Rizen.

The thing is raising the flop really polarizes your range its basically AA/KK/Sets/Air(maybe not KK). But you'd never raise the flop here with like 66-QQ 9x, and you can also probably float with unpaired high cards. By calling it makes it other streets very difficult for Rizen OOP.
He has to second barrell at least some of the time because your range for calling that flop is pretty wide and it gets him to keep putting money in the pot with hands like TT-QQ or if he pairs his high cards.

edit: I know metagame is basically irrelevant here but if you raise AA and it goes to showdown spots like this will be very difficult with mid pairs.

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Raising the flop is really bad IMO unless you have laggy enough image to induce a bluff reshove from Rizen.

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Rizen is basically never bluff reshoving on the first hand of the tournament, IMO.

[Rizen]

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Raising the flop is really bad IMO unless you have laggy enough image to induce a bluff reshove from Rizen.

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Rizen is basically never bluff reshoving on the first hand of the tournament, IMO.

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I can definitely say for fact, that I would never do this. I remember the hand in question, but don't want to say anything while there is still discussion.

-Rizen

[uclabruinz]

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I like a raise on the flop I don't see him not putting in the rest with a big OP. Any other hand is shutting down on turns anyway.

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Gross. What are you accomplishing by raising?

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I like a raise on the flop I don't see him not putting in the rest with a big OP. Any other hand is shutting down on turns anyway.

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Gross. What are you accomplishing by raising?

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While I'm not a proponent of the flop raise, I wouldn't go as far to say that nothing is being accomplished by it. Obviously, we can get Rizen to put more money in the pot with a medium-high PP before an action killer card turns.

That said, I still think we gain more from just flat calling the flop lead.

[jaroot]

cc'ing his rr pf is fine. I might put in the 3rd raise pf.. but you're getting better value by cc'ing I think. On the flop, I'm reading a lot of "call, then raise the turn" replys.. which is just silly. You've got one pair and you're probably up against an overpair to the board. If not, he's on air and is going to be done w/ the hand anyway after you cc the flop. I make the overbet jam here to make it look like you've got 10's or J's here and hope to get a call from QQ or KK. Or maybe even a loose call from 8's. You could raise to like 1k for value too, but that looks too much like you're vb'ing your big pp. Jam.

[shaundeeb]

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I like a raise on the flop I don't see him not putting in the rest with a big OP. Any other hand is shutting down on turns anyway.

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Gross. What are you accomplishing by raising?

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to build a pot before a scare card i.e. an overcard to his pp comes.

[jaroot]

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calls and hopes board comes 93222
pretty much just keep calling and then shove non Q-K rivers

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lol WHAT? Horrible. How about any 10, J turn/river cards? Just keep calling and shove non K-Q rivers? So are you saying you think he might have KK or QQ? Why not then put in the big raise on the flop?