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#41
03-27-2007, 07:46 PM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
In some ways, their choices of country albums are the most "out there".
It looks like it's mainly a rock list, with a few rap, country, and jazz albums thrown in. Rap could be better. But if a person who never listened to rap before wanted some exemplary albums, their choices aren't too bad: (the first few selections are Eminem, Dr. Dre, Beastie Boys, 50 Cent, BIG, and 2 Pac, a veritable who's who of rap.) Jazz isn't too bad either: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Brubeck, Frank Sinatra, and George Benson. All classic artists (there'll be those who argue for Duke Ellington over Benson, but it's not like Benson is an egregiously bad choice.) But their country choices are atrocious: Shania Twain, Faith Hill, and 3(!) Dixie Chicks albums interspersed with token males Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. What? Garth Brooks is easily the most important country artist (for good or for bad) since 1990 and he's not on the list? George Strait has 50 #1 songs and not a single album on the list? Not to mention the huge number of "classic" artists that I just am not familiar with as a new fan of country. If someone was brand new to country, and wanted 5 albums to buy, I doubt there's a single country fan who would recommend that they buy an album Shania Twain, by Faith Hill, and 3 by the Dixie Chicks. 
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#42
03-27-2007, 07:52 PM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
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In some ways, their choices of country albums are the most "out there". It looks like it's mainly a rock list, with a few rap, country, and jazz albums thrown in. Rap could be better. But if a person who never listened to rap before wanted some exemplary albums, their choices aren't too bad: (the first few selections are Eminem, Dr. Dre, Beastie Boys, 50 Cent, BIG, and 2 Pac, a veritable who's who of rap.) Jazz isn't too bad either: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Brubeck, Frank Sinatra, and George Benson. All classic artists (there'll be those who argue for Duke Ellington over Benson, but it's not like Benson is an egregiously bad choice.) But their country choices are atrocious: Shania Twain, Faith Hill, and 3(!) Dixie Chicks albums interspersed with token males Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. What? Garth Brooks is easily the most important country artist (for good or for bad) since 1990 and he's not on the list? George Strait has 50 #1 songs and not a single album on the list? Not to mention the huge number of "classic" artists that I just am not familiar with as a new fan of country. If someone was brand new to country, and wanted 5 albums to buy, I doubt there's a single country fan who would recommend that they buy an album Shania Twain, by Faith Hill, and 3 by the Dixie Chicks. [/ QUOTE ]You do know this list was put out by the rock and roll hall of fame? They specifically pick country music that rock fans will be more likely to like/buy. Shania Twain, Faith Hill, the Dixie Chicks, and Johnny Cash were all instrumental in turning rock fans on to country music. Edit: just thought I'd add that I'm not saying this list is great. They obviously made a lot of bad choices, but I don't think it's quite as bad as this thread is making it out to be.
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#43
03-27-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
That is a good list, much better than the linked one. However, did Stevie Ray Vaughan fail to register one album in the top 500 there? Even though compilations and best-of's seemed to be included?
Also, I think the importance of Ten is always underrated when you consider how it impacted specifically rock VOCALS for the next 15 years and counting...
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#44
03-27-2007, 08:07 PM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
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You do know this list was put out by the rock and roll hall of fame? They specifically pick country music that rock fans will be more likely to like/buy. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily true. They would have picked some of Miles Davis's electric period works instead of Kind of Blue for jazz. [ QUOTE ] Shania Twain, Faith Hill, the Dixie Chicks, and Johnny Cash were all instrumental in turning rock fans on to country music. [/ QUOTE ] And Garth Brooks wasn't? I'd agree with your assertion for Shania (the biggest selling female country artist of all-time and a huge crossover star). But Garth is much bigger in the history of crossing rock to country than Faith Hill and the Dixie Chicks.
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#47
03-27-2007, 09:41 PM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
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 [/ QUOTE ] She makes the top 50 albums of all time if she is on the cover, regardless of the music.
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#48
03-28-2007, 02:31 AM
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Re: Definitive 200 Albums
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013. Velvet Underground And Nico-Velvet Underground [/ QUOTE ] This seems to have been a noteable omission on the first list (unless I missed it) which is pretty bizarre imo. Omitting Velvet Underground is a greater tragedy than trying to include Creed in this list. Sandwiching The Clash in-between Celine Dion and Creed on any list except an alphabetical one is perhaps the biggest tragedy of all though. I agree that is some OOT'er compiled this list he would be laughed out of 2+2. If he tried to justify his inclusion of Creed and some of the other albums, while also justifying NOT including the V.U., it could get pretty brutal for the poor lad.
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#49
03-29-2007, 01:57 PM
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On Nirvana as a catalyst
I recently watched the Great Albums series on VH1 Classic. They covered Nevermind. (Clips from this can be seen in the Producers thread in EDF).
Anyway, one thing they mention is that in early 1992, Nevermind became the #1 album on the Billboard 200, surpassing Michael Jackson's Dangerous. They (and several other sources I've seen), see that as a very symbolic move--one that shows the coming out of "alternative" music. That is stretching things a bit. You can see a list of #1 albums on Wikipedia. Let's start with 1991, just before Nevermind became #1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number-...991_%28U.S.%29 What were the #1 albums? At the beginning of the year, it was Vanilla Ice, who had a huge reign at #1 (overtaking MC Hammer). Then it was Mariah Carey, R.E.M., Michael Bolton, N.W.A., Skid Row, Van Halen, Natalie Cole, Metallica, Garth Brooks, Guns N Roses, and U2, before it finally settled on Michael Jackson at the end of the year. What does that show? Album rock and adult contemporary were the big hits, along with Garth Brooks. So what changed in 1992? Let's see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number-...992_%28U.S.%29 Nevermind overtook Dangerous, but was quickly surpassed by Garth Brooks. Nevermind then had another week at #1 before giving way to Garth again. So did this lead to an influx of "alternative" artists hitting #1. Nope. Def Leppard, Billy Ray Cyrus, and Garth Brooks were the only artists in 1992 with extended runs at #1. The next "Alternative" album to hit #1 was Nirvana's In Utera in October 1993, followed by Pearl Jam's Vs. (U2 and Depeche Mode also had #1 albums, but were around long before Nirvana). So was hitting #1 really important at all?
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#50
03-29-2007, 02:26 PM
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Re: On Nirvana as a catalyst
21. Shania Twain, Come on OVer
33. Dixe Chicks, Wide Open Spaces 34. Miles Davis, Kind of Blue 48. Dave Matthews Band, Crash 49. Rolling Stones, Sticky Fingers 91. Matchbox Twenty, Yourself or Someone like you 93. Led Zeppelin, Physical Graffiti 107. Kenny G, Breathless 109. Sex Pistols, Never Mind the Bollocks 110. Beatles, Rubber Soul 127. Christina Aguilera, Christina Aguilera 147. Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley This list is spot on.
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