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Old 03-09-2007, 11:42 PM
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Default Re: Never fold KK preflop, right?!?!?

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.867% 29.00% 02.87% 658184652 65186820.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 31.867% 29.00% 02.87% 658184652 65186820.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 36.266% 34.40% 01.87% 780877512 42348168.00 { KK }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.277% 32.81% 03.46% 393996096 41606992.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 1: 36.277% 32.81% 03.46% 393996096 41606992.00 { QQ+, AKs }
Hand 2: 27.447% 24.14% 03.31% 289868544 39705784.00 { KK }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.529% 34.14% 04.39% 303253308 38983944.00 { QQ+ }
Hand 1: 38.529% 34.14% 04.39% 303253308 38983944.00 { QQ+ }
Hand 2: 22.941% 18.55% 04.39% 164798064 38976024.00 { KK }


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If the other two are all in, the pot will be $1,149, and I will have to put in $551 to get to showdown. If I go all in too, the pot will be $1,700. In other words, I am risking $551 to win a $1,700 pot (actually $1,697 after the rake). So, I need equity of 32.47% to make this shove.

I have that much equity in your first range of hands. And, I think their range is at least that. However, there is another problem. If I shove, SB can now play perfectly and probably won't go in with anything less than QQ (and maybe nothing less than KK). Shouldn't that be a factor as well?

I'm starting to think that calling is just high variance with close to neutral EV.

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yeah if SB is any good he's going to have exactly AA when he calls. and MP realistically QQ+, MAYBE KK+. if you want a project, figure out what % sb has AA out of a 4-bet range of AA-JJ, AK. then that % you get whatever pot odds in a 3-way all in vs AA and AA-QQ,AKs (suited just to represent that sometimes hell shove over w AK, but usually hell fold). then the % he doesnt have AA, youre getting some dead money and are facing just a range of AA-QQ,AKs HU. i have a feeling that makes the situation a good bit better
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