Life or Death

[ericicecream]

Dead money?

I think the ruling should be consistent with anyone who fails to act upon their hand because they are not at their seat or because a clock was called and they didn't act in time, a dead hand and he folds ($500 stays in).

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Treat it as an all-in for $500 .. ?

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That is one option that actually occurred a few years back in NYC when private games were rather common. But its not how they would rule in Las Vegas.

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[SplawnDarts]

I can see several options here:

I think it's a general courtesy to other gamblers to off all unresolved bets with dead people. That's what I would do if I were the other side.

I would also be fine with some sort of all-in disconnect protection, especially if the dead guy were a 20-something in a hoodie. It's what he would have wanted [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

If the executor of his estate were in the poker room, I would have no problem with the estate finishing the hand (although proving who the executor is might be difficult on short notice).

Killing the hand, however, is IMO unfair and disrespectful to the dead. I'm sure it's what would happen most places though.

[Ghazban]

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If the executor of his estate were in the poker room, I would have no problem with the estate finishing the hand (although proving who the executor is might be difficult on short notice).

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even if the executor was already at the table as a player?

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If the executor of his estate were in the poker room, I would have no problem with the estate finishing the hand (although proving who the executor is might be difficult on short notice).


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How can you finish the hand if the dead guy cannot call the all in bet?

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[ChicagoVince]

Kill his hand. Treat it as if he folded to the $24,500 re-raise. The re-raiser may want to allow the man's family to keep the $500 out of respect for the dead(I would), but that is purely at the re-raiser's discretion.

[SplawnDarts]

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If the executor of his estate were in the poker room, I would have no problem with the estate finishing the hand (although proving who the executor is might be difficult on short notice).

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even if the executor was already at the table as a player?

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If he's folded out of the hand before the guy expired, why not?

[SplawnDarts]

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If the executor of his estate were in the poker room, I would have no problem with the estate finishing the hand (although proving who the executor is might be difficult on short notice).


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How can you finish the hand if the dead guy cannot call the all in bet?

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[/ QUOTE ]That's what the executor is for. It's his job to manage the estate, including the estate's interest in this hand.

Of course, once the hand is finished the general rule that only natural persons can play poker kicks in.

Tongue firmly in cheek BTW [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Pyromaniac]

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Who would take the dead guy's money?

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well, it's not like he needs it anymore, eh.

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the floor took his chips as soon as EMS came.

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presumably he could reclaim those later (assuming he survived)?

[Troll_Inc]

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Big NL game at the XXXXX Casino. Button opens for $500, BB pushes his stack of 25k, Button looks back at his stack, sees he has 30k - and then keels over. Dead. He will be pushing up the daisies for now on, the player never got to state his action before kicking the bucket.

Whats the ruling?

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Well in the eyes of the state, the dude that keels over is not officially dead until it is "called" by a medical professional. So technically the guy isn't dead and therefore his hand has to be treated as live and if he can't act, then he is folding.