$200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut

jlacks · #1 12-09-2006, 04:37 PM

UTG is 45 3 after 64 hands
MP3 is 41 10 after 39 hands
No other reads

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($102.25)
SB ($290.75)
BB ($191.65)
UTG ($97)
UTG+1 ($24.35)
MP1 ($140.75)
Hero ($259.90)
MP3 ($269.90)
CO ($194.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP3 calls $2, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4, MP3 raises to $10, BB folds, UTG calls $10, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($39) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $37.1, Hero calls $37.10, MP3 calls $37.10.

River: ($150.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $47.9 (All-In)

Hero???

Split Suit · #2 12-09-2006, 04:50 PM

Hero raises allin. obv flat calling is horrendous, and a minraise accomplishes the same thing (chance to get called in one more spot for the same ammount of earn. a raise up this nice will tell ur opponents u have ur flush (which is blatenty obvious at this point), but says nothing about ur low. u stand to get called quite often by UTG who is most likely holding a baby flush witha mediocre low (that blocking bet is telling us that). we might also get lucky and drag MP3 along if he had a NLD w/P, and has the same low. if MP3 has the set, then u werent makin a dime off him anyway. raise for pure value. and nice catch

jlacks · #3 12-09-2006, 04:58 PM

Please note UTG is already all-in

neverforgetlol · #4 12-09-2006, 05:05 PM

mp3 probably has a counterfeited A3 so might as well shove in, the EV is higher.

Split Suit · #5 12-09-2006, 05:48 PM

ooppss..missed that. i still push tho to gain the add value from MP3 on the times he calls

jlacks · #6 12-09-2006, 06:28 PM

I did push all-in. My thinking was that his raise on the flop looked like a lo draw with a flush draw (wishful thinking?). I figured a push here might look like I was trying to get it heads up and get me a call. As it played out MP3 used his entire time bank before folding. After the hand he said he folded A5 with a king hi flush (2nd nut - 2nd nut). He also said if I smooth call he probably pushes there. Anyone believe him???

iamivar · #7 12-09-2006, 07:04 PM

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I did push all-in. My thinking was that his raise on the flop looked like a lo draw with a flush draw (wishful thinking?). I figured a push here might look like I was trying to get it heads up and get me a call. As it played out MP3 used his entire time bank before folding. After the hand he said he folded A5 with a king hi flush (2nd nut - 2nd nut). He also said if I smooth call he probably pushes there. Anyone believe him???

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Nope

Split Suit · #8 12-09-2006, 08:08 PM

not at all

StrikeR300 · #9 12-10-2006, 02:37 AM

I misclick fold this, but I believe a push would be best.

prodonkey · #10 12-10-2006, 05:29 AM

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't mind a call. A TON of times if you just call, someone will push their worse flush because they assume you don't have one, or are calling with a mediocre low or sometimes they will shove A4. Also you get a call from a LOT worse hands since the pot is a reasonable size. A6 and 2 pair might call.. he's not calling 200 more though. I think the amount of times you're gonna get the extra 50 outweigh the times you're gonna stack the guy behind you by a large margin. If he has one of the hands you are gonna stack him with he will probably raise all in himself.