Folded to me in SB - 19 left in Stars $50r

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Wow.. checked in SnGPT and betgo's right... pushing > folding here. I dunno if that makes it better than your other options, but def don't fold.

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Nice to know this much is true. I pushed, guessing it had to be theoretically the right move but I felt (afterwards) that, unless he was just going to bleed his whole stack through passivity, he had to defend his blinds or steals sooner or later though I was beginning to suspect that he'd acquired his stack by chance because he'd literally tossed away 40k in three orbits without seeing a flop.

There is, I presume, no merit in just walking onto the penultimate table with a healthy stack?

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I don't see any benefit in playing weak/tight to make the second table.

Pushing is significantly better than folding, but the difference is not huge.

If you raise, you have a difficult situation on a reraise. If you limp, you also have a difficult situation on a raise. The complete may be better, but you don't know whather to fold, call, or reraise if raised. Since it is hard to know what to do if raised with either a limp or raise, I like the push.

I might raise with a total junk hand or a strong hand.

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Merits and drawbacks of a limp with the intent of seeing a flop or going over the top of a BB raise?

I'm not surprised a shove's +EV, but anything that calls you're probably in trouble against.

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In trouble against is not so clear. Ax, Kx, small pps, and stuff like Q9s are likely to call. Even AK doesn't have you crushed.

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I think this villain's calling range was tighter than that: all pairs, A8+ and two broadway cards but we're still not in bad shape if called.

[FortunaMaximus]

Agreed, betgo.

So limp, see what he has initially PF, assume he's raising those out of BB a majority of the time, decide whether to 3-bet against that range. I'd be somewhat wary of PF checks.

Yeah, I don't like shoving this in the dark. Going to get it in slightly behind at best, but if you win the hand, well.

Seems unreasonable to my style. I'd question myself each time if I got called, even if it was something I was doing OK against, and with that stack size, I can find better spots. I know it runs counter to the take every edge principle, but there's value to be had in tourney survival and finding spots that are superior to (1.5BB and antes).

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I think this villain's calling range was tighter than that: all pairs, A8+ and two broadway cards but we're still not in bad shape if called.

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If that range is correct, pushing is worth 1663 chips, which is pretty nice.

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Agreed, betgo.

So limp, see what he has initially PF, assume he's raising those out of BB a majority of the time, decide whether to 3-bet against that range. I'd be somewhat wary of PF checks.

Yeah, I don't like shoving this in the dark. Going to get it in slightly behind at best, but if you win the hand, well.

Seems unreasonable to my style. I'd question myself each time if I got called, even if it was something I was doing OK against, and with that stack size, I can find better spots. I know it runs counter to the take every edge principle, but there's value to be had in tourney survival and finding spots that are superior to (1.5BB and antes).

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My style is to push or play for a limpreraise allin. You won't question yourself when you get called, double up, and become one of the tournament leaders.

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I think this villain's calling range was tighter than that: all pairs, A8+ and two broadway cards but we're still not in bad shape if called.

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If that range is correct, pushing is worth 1663 chips, which is pretty nice.

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OK, my final question of this thread. You've folded to every raise in three orbits, you've lost the table chip lead, you've folded a resteal. Hero has been open pushing a lot.

He pushes into your BB. What is the standard calling range for half your stack?

[FortunaMaximus]

Wider than the stated range, probably. A lot of that range you don't mind seeing. The benefits are huge, for image and for the stack you do get upon winning.

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I think my math is right and it is a little more.

Anyway, I am not sure the push is the best play. The expected gain from pushing isn't that great with these stack sizes. But common sense tells you folding can't be right. You have close to an average hand, so why open fold it HU. People who are thinking about a walk are not adjusting the value of the hand for position.

It is kind of tricky because pushing is marginal. I acutally think completing may be best, but then I am not sure whether to call, fold, or reraise if raised.

[FortunaMaximus]

His raising range should be wider than the range he'll call the shove with. With T7o, calling is probably the worst option then. I'm not sure whether shoving or folding assuming he raises for an additional 3BB would be better here.

I'm shoving this a high % of the time against that action though, but I don't want to be wrong in doing so.

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His raising range should be wider than the range he'll call the shove with. With T7o, calling is probably the worst option then. I'm not sure whether shoving or folding assuming he raises for an additional 3BB would be better here.

I'm shoving this a high % of the time against that action though, but I don't want to be wrong in doing so.

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I kind of like completing and stop and going if raised.