Blind defense.....

[giddyup]

Here is a common situation where I find myself being too weak, but I don't know what else to do...

Villain is 32/26/2.8 after 165 hands.

Villain raise in CO, SB folds, I call in the BB with A3o.

Flop is Q74r.

I check, Villain bets, I fold.....

[poisonxfree]

I personally 3 bet pf and lead flop.

[jonny drama]

yeah I do the same usually. I might peel one and see what he does on the turn if I think he sucks postflop.

pf 3bet is big time spew IMO. that 3 is a big piece o [censored]

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Here is a common situation where I find myself being correct

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FYP. Ignore the chip spewers who responded to you so far in this thread, since when is A high 3 off suit kicker the nuts? You should be making a lot of money off of TAGS who play like that, A3o in the BB is a weak hand vs the average CO raisers range but worthy of a call in the BB against a CO raiser who might be stealing. Decide what to do next on the flop.

Also consider how aggressive he is, do you really want to get caught in a trap on the flop?

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[Mossberg]

Yeah 3betting that preflop puts you into all kinds of ugly situations postflop - I would never do it. Most of the time I would play this hand the same.

[BlueLaser]

I used to play it the way you do. Now I am peeling more against blind stealers, because there are so many K-high and J-high hands that you are ahead of:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

273,240 games 0.140 secs 1,951,714 games/sec

Board: Qc 7d 4h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.9427 % 33.37% 01.57% { Ac3d }
Hand 2: 65.0573 % 63.49% 01.57% { 55+, A4s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, A8o+, K8o+, Q9o+, JTo }


You are getting 4.5:1, so continuing isn't too unreasonable. I tend to fold if I don't have a good read on the villain's tendencies on the turn, but I am peeling more and more often these days if I know them well. I am definitely folding flops with 2 broadway cards though.

I remember reading something recently where some prominent posters advocated a more passive line against stealers with small offsuit aces from the BB (I think in MHSH), but I can't find it right now. I think 3-betting A3o OOP preflop is probably a losing play unless CO can be pushed off hands easily.

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I used to play it the way you do. Now I am peeling more against blind stealers, because there are so many K-high and J-high hands that you are ahead of:

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Are you replying to me? I never discussed the flop in my post. But yes I can peel the flop here as well quite often, but only if I am up against an opponent who doesn't fire a second barrel that often on the turn, this is a good move against weak opponents.

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[BlueLaser]

Sorry, no I wasn't replying to you, I meant to reply to the OP. I realize that with A3 you will make some incorrect folds on the turn, as well as the fact that it has RIO if an Ace hits, so I don't mind folding the flop even though our equity shows that you can peel. I agree with your point about peeling against people who don't fire a second barrel. I'm not sure I would feel too happy firing a second barrel at this flop with a lot of my unpaired hands on this dry board if I was the villain actually unless I felt that OP peels way too light, but maybe this just means I should fire second barrels more.

[poisonxfree]

Hahaha, ignore what I posted. That's what I get for posting right when I wake up. I thought hero had AJo.