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Old 01-31-2006, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

i agree with you diablo.

i have been noticing a trend lately in this forum that when assigning a hand range to the villian, bluffs are very rarely considered.

ie. we have 45% equity against a range of X, so we should do Y, yet the idea that villian is makiing a move (which happens more and more as you move up) isnt brought up.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

Siri,

WTF? OF COURSE HE COULD HAVE A STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

My analysis didn't include bluffs only because my conclusion based upon his legitimate hand range was to call anyway. So including bluffs as part of his range wouldn't change that conclusion at all.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

D104 has given the best response so far in this thread.

This is a fold on the turn!
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

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My analysis didn't include bluffs only because my conclusion based upon his legitimate hand range was to call anyway. So including bluffs as part of his range wouldn't change that conclusion at all.

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just bc your conclusion w/o bluffs was to call, doesnt mean your analysis shouldnt include them.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

Ender,

Your analysis is horribly flawed because of so heavily discounting straights as a possible hand for villain.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:41 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

It seems from his play that the 5 on the turn helped him. He could have taken one off from the flop and hit the straight, but I think its just as likely he had K5.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

Realistically, this should be a turn fold. Sometimes he's overplaying 2 pair or just decided it would be great to try and bluff when you show lots of strength postflop, but realistically, tags do not 3 bet hands worse than bottom set with non-deep stacks on the turn in this game when it was limped around preflop. Expect to see 4s7s or 666 here 95% of the time.
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Old 01-31-2006, 05:24 PM
BLdSWtTRs BLdSWtTRs is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

well played. Push river.
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Old 01-31-2006, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 bottom set in unraised pot

The people who are advocating a fold here are underestimating the possibility of Villain holding 2 pair, IMHO.
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