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[Albert Moulton]

Check/call the turn, then bet at river. Even if a non-heart J/Q/K rivers, I think 77/88/99 and even 67s/68s might call a river bet if you check/call the turn.

Of course, if villain gets crazy on the river with some kind of push over your river bet for 1/2 pot or so, you might consider that he could have flopped a monster and you might have to fold.

[Albert Moulton]

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why aren't you betting the turn for value? is c/c getting more value? i think c/c looks like exactly what he has, a heart draw.

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Assuming villain has a pair lower than T, then c/c wins the amount you call (or 0 if he checks) + the amount of your bet on the river that he will likely call with his 1-pair hand.

Assuming villain has a flush draw and takes a free card, you make more on flush over flush if you let him get there.

I really think c/c might make more when you are ahead, and lose less when you're behind than betting the turn. The only disaster from checking would be that the free card gives villain an unlikely non-heart 2-pair or hits a J/K/Q on you.

[Albert Moulton]

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What's the matter with potting it? Is potting it bad, such that you don't get the value of implied odds if you river a heart?


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I think potting the turn gets you what's in the pot and no more when you are ahead, and unnecessarily bloats the pot when you are behind.

I'm starting to think I might be pretty far off, since this is my third c/c post, and I'm just about the only one advocating c/c + bet the river.

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[bobman0330]

I think check-raising here is perfect. How often are you going to fire at that flop and then give up on that turn? Balance it by blasting him on this occasion. Plus sometimes it'll go check-check and you'll get paid off on the river.

I think betting again is a waste of your hand. Except for maybe a worse T, which is a small part of his range, he's either folding or ahead.

[loveminuszero]

Bet. If you check and he checks behind and off peels a non-heart face card then you have a difficult decision. Betting will make your life much easier.

[Spy Dog]

I'm checkraising. He's betting the turn with more worse hands than he's calling with.

[CruS]

c/r allin or just bet right out should be pretty standard here?

[2Paul2]

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Checking is gross. Have you guys ever been to the mythical Valuetown? I bet all day every day here and don't bat an eye about it.

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In some spots checking gets you more value than betting.

Way to be condescending though.

Paul

[ahnuld]

LOL at whoever said he wouldnt call a near pot sized bet with a flush draw. People do that at 2knl, im sure they do it at 200nl too, if not more. Also, youd be surprised how often people get stuborn with low PPs and wont make you for the T or overpair. Unless we have been giving up alot and getting runover (which doesnt seem to be the case from OP) betting is far superior imo.

[Clayton]

those saying check, hahaha

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