35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop) - Page 2

betgo · #11 10-03-2006, 01:32 AM

I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

0evg0 · #12 10-03-2006, 01:39 AM

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

RichGambler · #13 10-03-2006, 03:03 AM

If your stack is < 15000 chips its ok to call. With your stack its easy fold. You dont want to lose all this stack with <50% at best. I think he has at least AK or QQ+ in this spot.

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1st hand at the table (no reads)

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t16750)
UTG+1 (t36130)
Hero (t27593)
MP2 (t47670)
MP3 (t5900)
CO (t15940)
Button (t9840)
SB (t7775)
BB (t36268)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to t2100, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB raises to t36218 (All-in), Hero calls t25443 (All-in)

Flop: (t65111) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t65111) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t65111) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

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SilverLining1 · #14 10-03-2006, 10:09 AM

Realize that with AKo it all depends. Sometimes, it's ok to gamble with your stack, even at these BBs, if you feel that the table is going to put a clinic on you and you aren't going to do well unless you have a monster. If you feel like gambling; if you're strategy is to build a monster off big coinflips and then steal from the smaller stacks afterwards, it would be OK. However, all in all, you raised from EP and you got pushed by BB, who you don't have a read on. + you have many, many BB. I'd fold.

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diebitter · #15 10-03-2006, 10:22 AM

If it was last night's, I chopped with 2 others, and pocketed 8.3K.

Sweet.

Oh, and fold. You gotta lotta playing left, why rush it?

Sherman · #16 10-03-2006, 11:21 AM

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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This is why I said to fold. The odds just aren't good enough and I don't think this is AQ enough to merit a call.

betgo · #17 10-03-2006, 12:40 PM

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }

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Jekyll · #18 10-03-2006, 01:07 PM

Meh, I can't blame anyone either way in this spot.

Myself, even if I knew for fact it was dead even money, I'd still fold. Poker is a SKILL game, when you play it right. You call here, you're letting the cards decide for you, when you still have plenty of chips to play with. If you're out of your league in the tourney, fine, gamble. But I'm not putting all my chips in (to call at least) unless I think I'm dominating my opponent most of the time. I just don't see the value otherwise.

Sherman · #19 10-03-2006, 02:30 PM

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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we do not have the odds to call against a range of JJ/QQ/AK.

but thanks for stopping by.

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You are calling 25400 to win 30200, 1.19-1, putting in 45.6% of the money.

You are 45.9% against AK, JJ, QQ.

Obviously, there is a question of how often this is AQ or something and how often it is AA/KK. This is sort of a question of do I want to take an even gamble for all my chips. However, I think that in the 2nd hour of the 10 rebuy it is 2 high cards often enough to call.

Anyway, you do have odds against the JJ,QQ,AK. I appreciate your expertise with odds, and thanks for stopping by.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.517 secs 834,624,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.8745 % 25.29% 20.58% { AKo }
Hand 2: 54.1255 % 33.54% 20.58% { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }

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OMG a .3% edge! WTF? I am all for pushing are small edges but this is too far. In a buy-in this low, my edge over the field is better than .3%. Does this .3% take into account the rake? I don't think it does. I'm all for passing on this edge and finding a better spot (say 55/45).

mornelth · #20 10-03-2006, 02:33 PM

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I am suprised so many people say fold. First of all, this is the second hour of the $10 rebuy. Secondly, villain made a huge overbet, which is less likely to be a big pair. I think this is usually AK or JJ/QQ. I call this.

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It's a rare case, but I actually agree with this...