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Old 10-02-2006, 07:19 PM
elcheapo elcheapo is offline
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Default 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

1st hand at the table (no reads)

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t16750)
UTG+1 (t36130)
Hero (t27593)
MP2 (t47670)
MP3 (t5900)
CO (t15940)
Button (t9840)
SB (t7775)
BB (t36268)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2100</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to t36218 (All-in)</font>, Hero calls t25443 (All-in)

Flop: (t65111) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t65111) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t65111) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

Ick. You raised from EP and villain chose to shove over the top from the BB. If he is a thinking opponent, he knows your EP raise means strength, so he must be really strong to make this move (gap concept). Still looking at the situation from his point of view, he has plenty of chips and has no need to risk this much on a hand like 99 or JJ or something.

I'd have to have some read that he is a maniac to call here. I'd almost guarantee AA or KK. It doesn't make sense to risk 2/3 of his stack when you cold hold something like AA or KK.

Edit: Oh yeah. What's with the weird PF raise. Make it t1500 or t1800 to go. t2100 is too much.
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

Itook my entire time bank before calling and I decided that the level of players coupled with a huge overbet push and the fact I had ak made the possibility of aces or kings very remote. Oh and 3.5 bb is too much??
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

your raise size is fine, pretty meaningless

some days i'll call here, some days i won't. Villain does this with AQ a lot i think (this is 3r or 5r right?), so it's just pretty read-dependent.
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

I'm not calling off 40bbs pf with AKo
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Old 10-02-2006, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

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I'm not calling off 40bbs pf with AKo

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Only a sith deals in absolutes.
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Old 10-02-2006, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

this one is so opponent dependent its hard to say, id call probably 60% of the time and the other 40% when i fold i would have to know this opponent is at least slightly more tight than the average opponent. Some players make this reraise as a way to protect a middle pair and at that stage in the tourney with those stack sizes im sure u would see that opponent turn over TT,JJ,QQ and AQ enough times to make the call right. On the other hand, if this is a particularly soft table and I have been grinding away at them, i might have to fold....
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

Best case scenario for a call? Villain has AQ.

You are like 3:1 or so against AQ, any other hand you don't mind is a lower pair (TT-QQ) and you are a slight dog, and of course the disasters (AA-KK) you are pretty screwed.

I think AQ is a lot less likely than any of the other possible hands.

If you fold, you have 25k+ to your name and a lot of poker to play.

Easy fold.
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:04 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

no reads = fold. this can easily be a call w/ a decent read, though.
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: 35 k on stars (is this where the good player folds ak preflop)

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no reads = fold. this can easily be a call w/ a decent read, though.

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you should change your avatar to albert haynesworth
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