AK unimproved river play

[The Funky Llama]

ok... it all depends on how likely he is to call with AJ. If he's not likely to call with it I'd probably check because the chance he either has a scared pocket pair or is going for a checkraise outweighs the chance he'll pay you off with worse. If he'll cal with AJ a lot def bet. I love these spots!

[geormiet]

BTW A9 or A9s is not in his range after the pf action.

[milesdyson]

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geormiet is right, thats a really easy bet with 77 if the turn goes check/check...hell, its an easy bet for 22.

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if you check, you think the guy is never bluffing because he knows you've taken a showdown line by checking the turn and then checking the river. so does he never bluff? or does he bluff because he knows you know you should never bluff?

also would you guys call with AJ no spade on this flop in this hand?

and if you have AJ or AK and this guy bets the river, do you call? really? you call there? seems crazy if his bet means that he's value betting (even if it is 77). you guys are clearly saying that he won't bet AK and AJ on the river, but that he will bet all these crappy pairs. so why would you call AJ or AK? so then why would he bet? i think it is very, very rarely a bluff when the turn goes check check and sb bets the river. i mean what can sb be bluffing here anyway? so then there's no value in his bet if the only hands we can have to call with are hands we wont call.

obviously it's a tangled web of bullshit but you see where im going. i mean, when does it become not a value bet and a check fold. if you think a solid player should check fold AJ on this river, why not do the same with 22 when they're nearly exactly the same?

[Paluka]

I would check this river. The only hand that you beat that calls is AJ, right?

[geormiet]

I routinely see A high and K high calldowns that look completely hopeless to me, even from this type of player . I would value bet 22 on the river against him all day in this siutation.

[geormiet]

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I would check this river. The only hand that you beat that calls is AJ, right?

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That was exactly what went through my mind in the hand. So I checked, and he had AJ. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Victor]

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I would check this river. The only hand that you beat that calls is AJ, right?

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but thats exactly what it looks like he has.

[The Funky Llama]

yea he has AJ here a lot

[UMTerp]

If you bet here, it has to be for value. I can't imagine he's folding any pair. I'd check, and expect to lose most of the time.

[milesdyson]

i'm revising the post with cards/suits and assuming villain bets the river.

I raise AKo utg in a 6 handed online game. Folded to the sb who 3 bets, folded to me, I call.

SB is a very solid winning tag, on the aggressive side. Solid and for the most part straightforward.

Flop is T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. He bets, I call.

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. He checks, I check.

River is a 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. He bets,

are you guys actually calling this?