Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

[Myrtle]

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Cigars? if you were here you would be relegated to the cage in the basement and totally ignored.

till then you'll have to try harder...maybe some links to moveon or something.

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Oh BABY!!! You're giving me a woody now!

Is it true? Am I that close to being not only "totally ignored" by you, but put into a cage in your basement?

All because I partook of a stogie?

Wouldn't such an action on your part vault me over the other 'ignorees'?

I think I've died and gone to heaven!!

Anyhow, your delayed response still disappoints me. I lit up the cigar and waited.....and waited.....and waited.

Hell, I watched the whole freakin Jimmy Kimmel show! Had to sit through Clay Aiken's appearance and listen to him sing not one, but TWO songs!

Has anyone told you what a means SOB you are for toturing me in that manner?

I'd imagine that you are in line for a position at Gitmo, you basty nastard. Then you could refine your waterboarding technique, come back to your basement and put out my nasty stink sick in the name of national security.

How glorious!!!


ps. FWIW, I consider most of the rhetoric at Move On to be just as politically self-serving as the trash that comes from the equivalent neo-con garbage spewers.

[SLP]

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Well, the actual document paints a WAY different picture than CBS did and it keeps CBS on its perch as the scummiest news source. CBS simply has zero credibility. What makes it more scummy for CBS is that it didnt have it as its lead story like CNN and Foxs. Opps....caught lying again.

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Could you bother to point out how the "actual document" (which is of course not the actual document) was mischaracterized by those CBS scumbags? You seem to have serious trust issues.

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You have serious reading comprehension issues if you dont think the initial reporting of the leak totally distorted what the actual document (which is the actual document) says.

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I do in fact have serious reading comprehension issues. Could you help me out and explain how the "original document" was distorted by the press?

[SLP]

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Well, the actual document paints a WAY different picture than CBS did and it keeps CBS on its perch as the scummiest news source. CBS simply has zero credibility. What makes it more scummy for CBS is that it didnt have it as its lead story like CNN and Foxs. Opps....caught lying again.

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Could you bother to point out how the "actual document" (which is of course not the actual document) was mischaracterized by those CBS scumbags? You seem to have serious trust issues.

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as its lead story like CNN and Fox

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So your complaint is that CBS didn't have this on the front page?

[kurto]

Here are the points from the report as reported in the CBS story at the top of this thread. This is what some seem to think was a fabrication and/or misrepresented by CBS.

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(CBS/AP) The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

The assessment of the war's impact on terrorism came in a National Intelligence Estimate that represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government, CBS News learned Sunday.

CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports that the intelligence report contained some broad conclusions:


The U.S. presence in Iraq is providing new recruits for militant Islam.


The movement has spread and is now "self-generating."


While inspired by al Qaeda, the radical movement is no longer directly tied to Osama bin Laden.


Because of the Internet, the radical Islamist movement is more connected and no longer isolated.


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here's the findings in the report that Copernicus linked. By comparing these two you can see how the CBS report was a complete fabrication:
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We also assess that the global jihadist movement—which includes al-Qa’ida, affiliated and independent terrorist groups, and emerging networks and cells—is spreading and adapting to counterterrorism efforts.

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Although we cannot measure the extent of the spread with precision, a large body of all-source reporting indicates that activists identifying themselves as jihadists, although a small percentage of Muslims, are increasing in both number and geographic dispersion.

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If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.

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New jihadist networks and cells, with anti-
American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.

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We assess that the operational threat from self-radicalized cells will grow in importance to US counterterrorism efforts, particularly abroad but also in the Homeland.

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The jihadists regard Europe as an important venue for attacking Western interests. Extremist networks inside the extensive Muslim diasporas in Europe facilitate recruitment and staging for urban attacks, as illustrated by the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London bombings.

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We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.

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The Iraq conflict has become the “cause celebre” for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.

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Anti-US and anti-globalization sentiment is on the rise and fueling other radical ideologies. This could prompt some leftist, nationalist, or separatist groups to adopt terrorist methods to attack US interests. The radicalization process is occurring more quickly, more widely, and more anonymously in the Internet age, raising the likelihood of surprise attacks by unknown groups whose members and supporters may be difficult to pinpoint.

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We judge that groups of all stripes will increasingly use the Internet to communicate, propagandize, recruit, train, and obtain logistical and financial support.

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While there are parts of the report that list some successes and areas where the US believes it can make progress, the report paints a very different picture then that presented by the Bush Admininstration.

Most importantly, it shows that CBS's report was far from a fabrication. Its confusing to read the report linked by Copernicus as see how he concludes that the leak was a complete fabrication. Cognitive dissonance?

[sweetjazz]

Did anybody else read the "Key Judgments" that were released and think this was something that could have been written by a semi-aware college freshman?

[Utah]

I have no opinion on the report itself. My comments are only on the reporting on the intelligence report. CBS paints such an absolutely skewed view of the findings and eliminates findings of the report to the extent that it paints a false picture. A reader reading the CBS article would naturally conclude - "what a disaster. We are in trouble. Terrorism is getting so much worse". This is not the same impression one gets from reading the declassification.

Why does CBS eliminate all the elements that would provide any validity to Bush's approach? For example, why does CBS not mention that the report says serious damage has been done to the Al Qaida leadership? That is clearly not a minor fact. In fact, it could be a headline for the article.

[kurto]

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My comments are only on the reporting on the intelligence report. CBS paints such an absolutely skewed view of the findings and eliminates findings of the report to the extent that it paints a false picture.

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First off... remember that CBS was reporting what was said in a leak. They weren't reading the report and picking and choosing what they wanted to paint the picture they wanted. So you cannot conclude that CBS distorted anything.

Second- I don't agree that damage to Al Queada would be the most important element of the story. In the context of the war on terror, Al Queda is just one player.

The purpose of the report, I thought, was to confirm how the US was doing in the war on terror. The Bush admin constantly talks about how we're safer and winning while this report confirms a growth in terrorism. That is not to say that there are not areas where we have done well or can forsee possible progress.

Many predicted that an invasion like Iraq would breed terrorism. This seems to be confirmed.

[Copernicus]

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I have no opinion on the report itself. My comments are only on the reporting on the intelligence report. CBS paints such an absolutely skewed view of the findings and eliminates findings of the report to the extent that it paints a false picture. A reader reading the CBS article would naturally conclude - "what a disaster. We are in trouble. Terrorism is getting so much worse". This is not the same impression one gets from reading the declassification.

Why does CBS eliminate all the elements that would provide any validity to Bush's approach? For example, why does CBS not mention that the report says serious damage has been done to the Al Qaida leadership? That is clearly not a minor fact. In fact, it could be a headline for the article.

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Because that wasnt leaked (if you are referring to the pre-declassification articles). Of course the spook blog had very accurate information confirmed by the declassification, but they would rather use an unnamed leakers interpretation than actual words from the document.

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Was this report authored by the same agencies that the democrats were criticizing for the alledged mistakes on Iraq?

[Copernicus]

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Was this report authored by the same agencies that the democrats were criticizing for the alledged mistakes on Iraq?

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Yes. The NIE was also the basis for their criticism over Bush supposedly dismissing threats to attack in the August 01 memo as well.