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sirio11 09-24-2006 11:15 AM

Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Was really that hard to see this coming 3 years ago?

Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse

Felix_Nietzsche 09-24-2006 11:56 AM

I Don\'t Agree
 
I don't agree. Before the 2nd Iraq War, terrorist attacks were increasing against the USA.
Before the 2nd Iraq War there were:
1. the African Embassy Bombings,
2. the attack on the USS Cole,
3. the first bombing of the World Trade center, and
4. the second attack on the world trade center on 9/11.
*And this is NOT a comprehensive list!

The trend BEFORE the Iraq war was an increase both in the number and audacity of terrorists attacks against the USA. The analyst that wrote this nonsense decided to ignore this.... The trend al Qaeda terrorism began during Clinton's presidency and increased due to his incompetance...

The are lots of would be terrorists in the middle-east. There main constraint is money.
Now that the USA is in Afghanistan and Iraq, terrorists can travel cheaply to these two countries to attack Americans.

If Bush43 succeeds in creating a free and independent Iraq, then the benefits will revolutionize the middle-east... I don't like our chances in Afghanistan. The Afghan culture has a long history of decadence and barbarity and I think the NATO policy in Afghanistan is highly flawed....

iron81 09-24-2006 11:57 AM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Felix, we're not talking about one analyst writing a report:

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The report, the classified National Intelligence Estimate, "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," one American intelligence official told The New York Times.
Completed in April, the intelligence estimate reflects the views of 16 different spy agencies within the U.S. government. Instead of weakening Islamic radicalism, the report titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," says the jihad ideology has spread worldwide since the Iraq war.

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Copernicus 09-24-2006 12:25 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
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Felix, we're not talking about one analyst writing a report:

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The report, the classified National Intelligence Estimate, "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," one American intelligence official told The New York Times.
Completed in April, the intelligence estimate reflects the views of 16 different spy agencies within the U.S. government. Instead of weakening Islamic radicalism, the report titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," says the jihad ideology has spread worldwide since the Iraq war.

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No, youre talking about 16 spy agencies that dont necessarily have the types of people on board to predict what would have happened with alternative reactions to SH and the war on terror.

What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

Felix_Nietzsche 09-24-2006 01:32 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
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What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

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Amen.....

kurto 09-24-2006 07:06 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
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No, youre talking about 16 spy agencies that dont necessarily have the types of people on board to predict what would have happened with alternative reactions to SH and the war on terror.

What we do know is that during the inaction of the prior years, they did a damn good job of recruiting and training terrorist world wide. To assume that the growth after the Iraq war would have been greater or less than absent the war is more speculation than science.

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I trust the speculation of 16 different spy agencies then a random person on a poker forum.

And to answer Sirio's question, I remember people speculating back before the invasion began about how we could breed more AntiAmericanism and terrorism by invading Iraq.

Copernicus 09-24-2006 07:12 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Except Im not speculating about anything. Now I remember why you were on ignore. I wont make the same mistake again.

warlockjd 09-24-2006 07:22 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Watching idiots trying to refute irrefutable facts amuses me.

Disclaimer: For anti-banning purposes, I am referring to no one in this thread. Just a general statement.

John21 09-24-2006 08:40 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Wow, amazing insight: violence escalates in war.
That's like saying a boxing match turned violent once the bell rang.

Utah 09-24-2006 09:43 PM

Re: Report: Iraq War Made Terror Worse
 
Did anyone hear actually read the report to see exactly what it said? Or, is the fact that CBS reported it enough?


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