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Old 09-22-2006, 10:49 PM
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Default Re: Weird JJ hand (Party 10/20)

Alright, gotcha. He ended up having AK. I time banked all the way down, but made the call
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Old 09-22-2006, 10:54 PM
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Yah, I'm kind of surprised to see him bet AK on turn really, I would have checked it behind again. As soon as he bets river, though, I'd actually put him more often on AA than AK, given that AA is prob just a little bit more inclined to bet turn (even though I'd usually just check that as well) than AK.
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Old 09-23-2006, 01:44 AM
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I fold river. He is either betting the turn with the nuts, or 2p(generally an ace). I really dont like the river call, given his Pt stats, I am assuming his 3b range isnt terribly loose. Given that, what is he betting that you beat aside from the straight(which seems somewhat rediculous) and a bluff? I like a fold here. I also lead flop.

This may seem terrible, but I wouldnt mind leading the turn. I think you get anything but the nuts here to fold, and there are only a few hands he may have that would be consistent with his range, and make the straight. Its late, ive been drinking some so take this as you will. I def fold river though. gl, gn
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Old 09-23-2006, 03:44 AM
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I fold river. He is either betting the turn with the nuts, or 2p(generally an ace). I really dont like the river call, given his Pt stats, I am assuming his 3b range isnt terribly loose. Given that, what is he betting that you beat aside from the straight(which seems somewhat rediculous) and a bluff? I like a fold here. I also lead flop.

Leading flop is of course standard here. We flopped middle set in a raised pot on a very drawy board.

IMO, as the hand played out, leading the turn is bad. There is simply very little to gain in comparison to checking the turn.

This may seem terrible, but I wouldnt mind leading the turn. I think you get anything but the nuts here to fold, and there are only a few hands he may have that would be consistent with his range, and make the straight. Its late, ive been drinking some so take this as you will. I def fold river though. gl, gn

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Old 09-23-2006, 03:54 AM
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lol cmon guys after he bets the turn here you cannot fold the river.
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:39 AM
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lol cmon guys after he bets the turn here you cannot fold the river.

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why not?
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:42 AM
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what exactly does he beat on the river?
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:44 AM
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lol cmon guys after he bets the turn here you cannot fold the river.

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why not?

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u just cant expect a good player to bet 2pr or set on the turn w/ this board.
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Old 09-23-2006, 04:53 AM
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lol cmon guys after he bets the turn here you cannot fold the river.

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why not?

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u just cant expect a good player to bet 2pr or set on the turn w/ this board.

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what about the straight?
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Old 09-23-2006, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: Weird JJ hand (Party 10/20)

"what about the straight?"

yes a good player bets the straight here and thats probably why you should call the river
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