Weird JJ hand (Party 10/20)

McShove · #1 09-22-2006, 09:50 PM

I don't post hands here often, but this was a strange hand. Villain is ChillCheebah, who is relatively new to the 10/20, but is killing it as far as I can tell. He seems quite solid, and also capable of moves/creativity. We have been battling across several tables for some time at this point, and he has been getting the best of it. His stats are 19/16/3.5. He continuation bets nearly every flop in my experience.

I won't post the results of the hand or my thoughts for now. I'm interested to hear opinions first. Comments on all streets are appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($1705.52)
Hero ($1943)
MP ($2309.37)
Button ($2792.50)
SB ($5052.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
Hero raises to $70, MP raises to $239, 3 folds, Hero calls $169.

Flop: ($508) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($508) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $300, Hero calls $300.

River: ($1108) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $999, Hero calls $999.

Final Pot: $3106

MDMA · #2 09-22-2006, 09:59 PM

I think you played this hand fine.

McShove · #3 09-22-2006, 10:00 PM

Surprised to hear that, I thought it was ugly.

MDMA · #4 09-22-2006, 10:02 PM

Well, I'd usually fold turn here quite a bit of course, but other than that I don't see many other options (except leading flop but that's just result-oriented). Against some players I could fold river as well after calling turn (i.e as played), against some others I would call nearly all of the time.

McShove · #5 09-22-2006, 10:08 PM

You don't think checking flop here is awful? Regardless of outcome? As soon as I did it I regretted it.

MDMA · #6 09-22-2006, 10:11 PM

Why? I assumed by "cb:ing" you also meant he's following through nearly all of the time when he has 3-bet, otherwise the information isn't superrelevant. You will obviously not fold if he raises you when you lead, and if you check I'm guessing it was with the intention of c/r:ing his bet that you expected nearly all of the time.

I mean, if you in fact meant that he isn't following through when 3-betting at all as often as in a single-raised pot, i.e that he's very often checking behind AK here (which is the correct play a lot of the time), then all that I've written isn't viable of course.

McShove · #7 09-22-2006, 10:15 PM

Yeah, I meant he bets nearly every flop after 3-betting. Doesn't a check/raise in this situation let him get away from AA/AK to easily? Whereas a lead might not let him get away?

MDMA · #8 09-22-2006, 10:18 PM

Yeah, I kind of got a bit hasty there writing a c/r, wasn't really focusing on that part, it's actually a bad move. Well, I'd actually rather, if he's betting AA/AK nearly all of the time, check/call and then lead turn. If I have reason to suspect he's checking those two hands behind a lot, then I'd definitely lead here directly on the flop. It puts him in SOMEWHAT an equal predicament (the only difference is that we definitely look much less "bluffy" if we c/c flop as opposed to just leading at at like a stab, but I think that by turn, if he's called, our lead is going to look pretty much equally strong regardless of we lead or c/c:ed flop anyway), but with the advantage that we picks up on this continuation bet all the time, which is, in most cases, all we will get out of him.

McShove · #9 09-22-2006, 10:39 PM

MDMA,

Once I go for the flop c/r (a questionable move), what do you think of the rest of the hand? I believe agains this opponent that a river fold is at least in the equation, no?

MDMA · #10 09-22-2006, 10:42 PM

As I said, flop c/r was just hasty writing; I much more prefer, given desc, a c/c and a turnlead instead (except on an A of course like in this situation). As for river in how this went, I wrote above; some guys I'd fold a LOT to, some I would call all the time. Basically, the better he is, the more I'd be inclined to fold, given that I feel a good player is actually gonna check a queen on river here most of the time.