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#11
01-27-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
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[ QUOTE ] If you're going to call the turn, call the river. No reason to put him on an ace, and if you put him on 7 or an 8, as opposed to a draw, then you really don't have odds to call the turn with your ISD. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? Calling the turn does not mean you have to call the river. It's true that he probably doesn't have an ace but him betting into an ace on the river makes it much more likely that he has a hand. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] WTF WTF? How does the river A make him more likely to bet a hand that beat 66 rather than bet a bluff ? You dont think he may check 8x,7x some of the time or be more likely to think a paired hand below the Ace will fold after it hits ? A-high probably calls anyway, so the ace makes it less likely that he is a hand with an ace that is showing down. 
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#12
01-27-2006, 02:05 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you're going to call the turn, call the river. No reason to put him on an ace, and if you put him on 7 or an 8, as opposed to a draw, then you really don't have odds to call the turn with your ISD. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? Calling the turn does not mean you have to call the river. It's true that he probably doesn't have an ace but him betting into an ace on the river makes it much more likely that he has a hand. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] WTF WTF? How does the river A make him more likely to bet a hand that beat 66 rather than bet a bluff ? You dont think he may check 8x,7x some of the time or be more likely to think a paired hand below the Ace will fold after it hits ? A-high probably calls anyway, so the ace makes it less likely that he is a hand with an ace that is showing down. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't actually read the hand the first time I made comments. So Grigra's comment are made having read the hand and mine are generalities that don't actually make any sense since they don't apply to the hand in question. Krishan
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#13
01-27-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
For the record, folding this river against a somewhat agressive opponent is insane. I would think it is about even money that you have the best hand.
Folding the turn is bad. There are two river cards that would make me fold : 9h and Th. Against a not too agressive opponent (i.e. would not three bet with top pair and would not three bet his not so strong draws), then I would raise the turn for a free showdown because there are many river cards where I would make a not so good call.
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#14
01-27-2006, 02:35 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
When he bets the river its more likely he either has a monster or a bluff. Its a great sign for you that he is betting that card. Easy easy call.
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#15
01-27-2006, 02:41 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
Also folding the turn seems ridiculous to me. You have the best hand here a lot and when you dont you usually have 6 outs.
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#16
01-27-2006, 04:34 PM
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Re: I hate calling to fold the river.....
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I like this. Depending on the player, though, I think that a turn raise might be better. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I like a turn raise because 1. He will fire again on the river anyway if he is on a draw and misses. 2. We have to call a 3 bet with our gutshot/set outs.
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