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#11
08-29-2006, 01:32 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
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Concerning preflop...eff stacks are $300 so I figured I have some nice implied odds when i hit a hand. How big do the stacks need to be before the folders say call? Are you always folding becuase we are out of position? It's only $14 more for me to call, I would have thought that this would have been a pretty standard call. [/ QUOTE ] One of the problems is that far more often than the times you hit a monster you hit a marginal hand (like this one), and you have to play it OOP in an inflated pot. If effective stacks were 200BBs-ish and villain was a superdonk I'd probably call. 
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#12
08-29-2006, 01:33 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
At least 220BB For me or something like that.
In position you can play this if you want. And I would fold to the second barrel for sure. Also I lead the flop. I dont care if I never get called by worse. Your hand has no SD value really anyway, unless it gets checked down.
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#13
08-29-2006, 01:36 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
I'd actually see a flop if I had a decent read on villains postflop tendencies, and thought I could get his stack in easily if I outflop aces.
Calling is a weak play though and mostly leads to spots like these. Also sets up more villains to take shots at you since they see you calling and then folding to more aggression.
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#14
08-29-2006, 01:47 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
Ok, ok, I didn't really intend for this post to be about preflop. How are we playing 88, 99, or JJ here? If we are leading what's the plan if just called? Are we putting more money in the pot? If not, why wouldn't we just do that as a pure bluff then? These are the same thoughts that go through my head if I think about check raising the flop.
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#15
08-29-2006, 01:51 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
A lot of posts in small stakes(also mid) end up focusing on preflop since people make big errors that they want to ignore.
Mostly call 88-jj, with intention of playing poker after the flop. Rest of your question depends so much on flop texture and villain that its hard to answer. I usually hate leading with made underpair/top pair weak kickers hands unless we are vs very predictable opponents. Check raising the flop with these jj-88, top pair unimproved is generally bad. Jsut gives your opponent info and bloats the pot while you get little info about his hand.
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#16
08-29-2006, 01:55 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
bet fold maybe. Prob c/f
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#18
08-29-2006, 02:25 AM
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Re: I just need a standard line
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The way we're forced to play this hand leads me to believe that one can make lots of money 3 betting preflop in position with virtually any two cards. [/ QUOTE ] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Get out your money printing machine if you also play well postflop.
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