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bender 08-29-2006 12:47 AM

I just need a standard line
 
Sorry no converter on this one. I am learning NL from a limit background. I get confused in these spots becuase I don't like any of my options.
This is Party NL200 6 max.
eff stacks are about 300.
I get j10s and raise to $7, button repops to $20. Only I call.
Flop: 10 7 2 rainbow.
What's the standard plan for flopping a meduim top pair after calling a raise? Any general discussion about how stacks, opponent's play, etc. come into your thought process on these hands would be great too.

gimmetheloot 08-29-2006 12:53 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
you are OOP, fold pf

Psydoc 08-29-2006 12:55 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
Fold preflop and feel good - JTs oop does not like a 3x raise.

tufat23 08-29-2006 12:58 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
I'll play JTs here. I'll check call flop and reevaluate on the turn.

Claunchy 08-29-2006 01:06 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
I fold this preflop as well.

You should probably get your feet wet at NL50/100 before you jump into 200. Even for good limit players, there's still a substantial adjustment period.

bender 08-29-2006 01:09 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
Yeah, I usually find myself check calling as I really dislike checkraising. I feel like this just opens us up to get outplayed on the turn though.
So... what now...
Flop 10 7 2. I check and call a $32 bet. Pot is about $100 now.
Turn: 5 (bringing a flush draw but not mine). I check, villian bets $75.
My play?

orange 08-29-2006 01:18 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
fold pf, c/f flop usually, sometimes calling if villan is really really bad.

turn i just open push. although maybe a bit slim, here is the range i give villan :

Board: Td 7c 2s 5s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 60.8696 % 60.87% 00.00% { JsTs }
Hand 2: 39.1304 % 39.13% 00.00% { TT+, AQo+ }

bender 08-29-2006 01:22 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
Sorry for the confusion orange and others, but the turn does NOT bring a flush draw for me, just a flush draw. Also, I am assuming that when you say fold preflop that this is to the 3bet and not open folding?

Bukem_ 08-29-2006 01:24 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
[ QUOTE ]
Also, I am assuming that when you say fold preflop that this is to the 3bet and not open folding?

[/ QUOTE ]

yes, mostly because we will be playing the hand oop.

bender 08-29-2006 01:29 AM

Re: I just need a standard line
 
Concerning preflop...eff stacks are $300 so I figured I have some nice implied odds when i hit a hand. How big do the stacks need to be before the folders say call? Are you always folding becuase we are out of position? It's only $14 more for me to call, I would have thought that this would have been a pretty standard call.


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