Moved to $22: End game problems

Kibby · #1 08-16-2006, 10:17 AM

Over ~500 $11pp sngs I've achieved a 38% ITM and 18.5% ROI. Not bad I thought and once my bankroll hit 1K I figured why not give the 22s a shot. So I have a very small sample size so I might be getting ahead of myself but I do have some observations I was hoping the esteemed forum might lend a hand with.

First off I'm getting ITM ~34% and feeling good about my bubble play, etc... In some ways I feel more comfortable with it as I can identify those who are likely to fold to my allins more often etc... and I'm able to put the villians on ranges of hands more accurately. I've gone through my hand with SNGPT and my pushbotting/calling is very +EV with the only possible leak being that I make too many marginal pushes but they are still +EV.

The problem I'm having is playing once I get ITM. I'm getting hosed once its down to 3 players. The people I'm up against seem to be able to handle the standard aggression I've used at the 11s for a good amount of 1st place finishes. I pwn the final 3 at the 11s.

Any advise as to where I can start looking for leaks or general end game strategy?

Cheers,
Kibby

durron597 · #2 08-16-2006, 10:23 AM

I suggest posting an endgame where you entered 3 handed with ~equal stacks and like 200/400 blinds and ended up busting in 3rd.

Nyb123 · #3 08-16-2006, 10:29 AM

Yes - post an endgame HH and we'll see what your problems are.

Frinkenstein · #4 08-16-2006, 10:59 AM

How many 22's have you played so far? Maybe you've just run into better hands/players over a relatively small sample size? i.e. short term variance?

Kibby · #5 08-16-2006, 11:02 AM

~50 and yes, I agree to could be but I'm not feeling as good about them. I'm not getting the same kind of reactions I'm used to in the end game.

working on those hand histories. . . I love work

Kibby · #6 08-16-2006, 11:03 AM

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero folds, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t600, BB calls t600

Pudge714 · #7 08-16-2006, 11:05 AM

This hand is fine.
The $22's are not much harder than the $11's. Your either running hot a thte $11's or running bad at the $22's. Or perhaps playing with scared money.

Jay Riall · #8 08-16-2006, 11:08 AM

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PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero folds, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t600, BB calls t600

[/ QUOTE ]

Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

Kibby · #9 08-16-2006, 11:29 AM

Aight, here's an end game series. The converter doesn't seem to be getting all the details though. Could I be doing something wrong?

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8133)
SB (t8805)
Hero (t3062)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Button folds, SB calls t300, Hero checks

Flop: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t600, SB folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3662)
BB (t8133)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero folds, BB folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3362)
SB (t7533)
BB (t9105)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB folds, BB folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7233)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t4262)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Button folds, SB folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t4562)
BB (t7233)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button folds, Hero calls t300, Hero folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3962)
SB (t7833)
BB (t8205)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero folds, SB folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7533)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t3962)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB folds, Hero folds

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3362)
BB (t8433)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button folds, BB calls t2762

Flop: (t3662) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t3662) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3662) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Results in gray below:
Hero has Ad, Jd (a pair of kings)
BB has Kd, Jc (a flush, king high)

Kibby · #10 08-16-2006, 11:34 AM

Another end game

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t11970)
Button (t2742)
Hero (t5288)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls [t2742] , Hero completes, 1 fold.

Flop: (t3342) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t3342) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3342) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t3342
Main Pot: t3342 (t3342), between Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button (t3342).

Results in white below: 
Button has 9d Ad (one pair, tens).
Hero has 7d Ah (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Button wins t3342. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t11370)
BB (t6084)
Hero (t2546)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls [t2546] , 1 fold, BB calls t1946.

Flop: (t2846) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t2846) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2846) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t2846
Main Pot: t2846 (t2846), between BB and Hero. > Pot won by BB (t2846).

Results in white below: 
BB has 4c Tc (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 9s 9h (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: BB wins t2846.