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Kibby 08-16-2006 10:17 AM

Moved to $22: End game problems
 
Over ~500 $11pp sngs I've achieved a 38% ITM and 18.5% ROI. Not bad I thought and once my bankroll hit 1K I figured why not give the 22s a shot. So I have a very small sample size so I might be getting ahead of myself but I do have some observations I was hoping the esteemed forum might lend a hand with.

First off I'm getting ITM ~34% and feeling good about my bubble play, etc... In some ways I feel more comfortable with it as I can identify those who are likely to fold to my allins more often etc... and I'm able to put the villians on ranges of hands more accurately. I've gone through my hand with SNGPT and my pushbotting/calling is very +EV with the only possible leak being that I make too many marginal pushes but they are still +EV.

The problem I'm having is playing once I get ITM. I'm getting hosed once its down to 3 players. The people I'm up against seem to be able to handle the standard aggression I've used at the 11s for a good amount of 1st place finishes. I pwn the final 3 at the 11s.

Any advise as to where I can start looking for leaks or general end game strategy?

Cheers,
Kibby

durron597 08-16-2006 10:23 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
I suggest posting an endgame where you entered 3 handed with ~equal stacks and like 200/400 blinds and ended up busting in 3rd.

Nyb123 08-16-2006 10:29 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
Yes - post an endgame HH and we'll see what your problems are.

Frinkenstein 08-16-2006 10:59 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
How many 22's have you played so far? Maybe you've just run into better hands/players over a relatively small sample size? i.e. short term variance?

Kibby 08-16-2006 11:02 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
~50 and yes, I agree to could be but I'm not feeling as good about them. I'm not getting the same kind of reactions I'm used to in the end game.

working on those hand histories. . . I love work

Kibby 08-16-2006 11:03 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

Pudge714 08-16-2006 11:05 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
This hand is fine.
The $22's are not much harder than the $11's. Your either running hot a thte $11's or running bad at the $22's. Or perhaps playing with scared money.

Jay Riall 08-16-2006 11:08 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
[ QUOTE ]
PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5710)
SB (t6895)
BB (t7395)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, SB calls t300, BB checks

Flop: (t1200) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

Turn: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks

River: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t600</font>, BB calls t600

[/ QUOTE ]

Standard. When you have around 10bb on the button 3-handed its either push/fold. I'm pretty tight in this spot, probably A9+, 66+, KQs. All dependent on reads of their calling ranges.

Kibby 08-16-2006 11:29 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
Aight, here's an end game series. The converter doesn't seem to be getting all the details though. Could I be doing something wrong?

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8133)
SB (t8805)
Hero (t3062)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t300, Hero checks

Flop: (t1200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t600</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3662)
BB (t8133)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3362)
SB (t7533)
BB (t9105)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7233)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t4262)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t4562)
BB (t7233)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t300, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3962)
SB (t7833)
BB (t8205)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Hero folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t7533)
SB (t8505)
Hero (t3962)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>

PartyPoker $22 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Button (t8205)
Hero (t3362)
BB (t8433)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, BB calls t2762

Flop: (t3662) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Turn: (t3662) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t3662) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)


Results in gray below:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Hero has Ad, Jd (a pair of kings)</font>
<font color="#f7f7f7">BB has Kd, Jc (a flush, king high)</font>

Kibby 08-16-2006 11:34 AM

Re: Moved to $22: End game problems
 
Another end game

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB (t11970)
<font color="#C00000">Button (t2742)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t5288)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls [t2742] , Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t3342) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t3342) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3342) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3342
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t3342 (t3342), between Button and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Button (t3342).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has 9d Ad (one pair, tens).
Hero has 7d Ah (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Button wins t3342. </font>

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB (t11370)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t6084)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2546)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls [t2546] , <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t1946.

Flop: (t2846) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2846) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2846) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2846
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t2846 (t2846), between BB and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by BB (t2846).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 4c Tc (two pair, aces and tens).
Hero has 9s 9h (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: BB wins t2846. </font>


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