Gus and Danny's set over set

[legend42]

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65 is more realistic considering the action.

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Nice edit. Why exactly is 65 more realistic, especially from Daniel's POV?

[Teph]

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Of all the classic "hands" we've seen on HSP, this one has to be #1 on the list.

Gus' check on the river was brilliant.

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Actually, I think that was by far the worst action that Gus took in the whole hand.

How do you figure it was so brilliant?

[LuckOfTheDraw]

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65 is more realistic considering the action.

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Nice edit. Why exactly is 65 more realistic, especially from Daniel's POV?

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Even Gus most likely wouldn't be raising 95 preflop.

He probably wouldn't be raising 85 preflop, for that matter. Regardless, Gus' flop + turn action would be horrible if he had 85.

Edit: Mathematically, 95 is a bit more likely than 55 and 65, which have the same chance of being Gus' holdings.

[legend42]

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Of all the classic "hands" we've seen on HSP, this one has to be #1 on the list.

Gus' check on the river was brilliant.

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I already went through this in the other thread. Name one hand that Daniel calls a river bet with, but would check behind if checked to, with a $100K+ pot on a 9 6 5 8 5 board? Seriously, name one.

[legend42]

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Even Gus most likely wouldn't be raising 95 preflop

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Obviously, preflop 65 is more likely than 85 or 95. Given the fact Gus is laggy and Daniel holds 66, I think we can even the scales a bit. So move to postflop.

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He probably wouldn't be raising 85 preflop, for that matter. Regardless, Gus' flop + turn action would be horrible if he had 85.

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Huh? He can't CR a raggy flop with a pair + straight draw to find out where Daniel's at? And then turn trips and lead? And then fill up on the river and check-raise, under-reading a passive Daniel the whole hand? I know it's not his most likely holding, but this is just as easy to conceive as the action if he had 65.

[theseus51]

An overpair?

[theseus51]

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Of all the classic "hands" we've seen on HSP, this one has to be #1 on the list.

Gus' check on the river was brilliant.

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I already went through this in the other thread. Name one hand that Daniel calls a river bet with, but would check behind if checked to, with a $100K+ pot on a 9 6 5 8 5 board? Seriously, name one.

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But yeah, an overpair. He would call a river bet with Aces or Jacks, but would check behind if Gus checked.

[Sinochick]

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Of all the classic "hands" we've seen on HSP, this one has to be #1 on the list.

Gus' check on the river was brilliant.

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Actually, I think that was by far the worst action that Gus took in the whole hand.

How do you figure it was so brilliant?

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I just think if Gus didn't check on the river, he wouldn't have made as much off of Daniel that he did. If Gus bet $65k on the river, Daniel would just call. He knew Daniel would bet his full house on the river.

I saw Gus do the same move against Johnny Chan in Poker Superstars I when they were heads up - Gus had A-7 and a full house when all the cards came down. Gus checked on the river and Johnny bet nearly 85% of his stack and Gus went all in and Johnny had no choice but to call. (okay not exactly the same scenario as the Gus/Daniel hand but on both occasions Gus checked the river with the nuts knowing he would get his opponent to bet on the river).

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But yeah, an overpair. He would call a river bet with Aces or Jacks, but would check behind if Gus checked.

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This has been discussed already, but I don't think so. Some have opined that he doesn't even call the turn bet with an overpair. I think that might be wrong, but certainly once the 8 hits the river, and Gus leads out strong again, I really doubt if DN calls a $50K+ bet there with just an overpair.

[Sinochick]

The now infamous hand is now on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k8mdvx0RWM