QQ w/ a wierd river decision - Page 2

cbloom · #11 01-07-2006, 01:15 PM

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Pot bet the turn! You don't want anyone sticking around with possible straight draw or overcards to your QQ.

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u do realize that if i do this i will only have 23 behind in a huge pot and i will be commited. im not really worried about overcards and im not giving any draws the odds to hit...

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You want to be committed against a donk when you have an overpair. You want all the chips in while you're ahead. Pot the turn, then it's an easy lead all-in on the river for maximum value against hands you beat. Potting the turn is definitely not about forcing out draws, it's about getting the maximum $ in the pot when you're ahead.

TheGrifter · #12 01-07-2006, 01:27 PM

If this guy cannot get away from 1 pair and would've raised flop with a better hand, push the turn.

mikechops · #13 01-07-2006, 01:43 PM

I'm check folding here. It's hard to know what complete donks are thinking sometimes, but you are ahead of QJ,KJ,98s and behind AJ,KQ,AA and KK (the last too seem a little less likely since you said he'd been aggresive with good hands).

That was a scary river for the hands you are ahead of. I wouldn't expect a bet from a worse hand. He'd probably be as relieved as you just to check it down. If you were up against someone capable of bluffing here, it would be a tougher call but I think a bet means you are beat.

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OK so now I've looked at the results and you bet out the river and he folded? I guess a bet protects your hand from a bluff, but if you thought that was a possibility why not just check call? I don't see a worse hand calling here. Check calling makes more when he bluffs and loses the same, when he doesn't.

An interesting hand. I'm not saying you got it wrong, but that's what I would have done if I had 10 minutes to think it over.

SideCash · #14 01-07-2006, 02:05 PM

I really like a check here on the river. An agro donk will bluff at the pot when the ace comes very very often enough to make the check call profitable. It the best way to let him make a mistake. So many times when maniacs miss there 1 outer straight draw or there set draw with an under pair they will bluff the scare card on river. Check call.