QQ w/ a wierd river decision

[stu-unger]

villain is a complete donk, he is super loose pf and pretty much the same goes for post flop. i have seem him get aggro w/ good hands, but hes the normal call down w/ tp or an underpair kinda guy.

50nl 3 handed (table just went short last hand)
effective stack 55
dealt to hero Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in SB

pf- button calls .5, hero raises to 2.5, BB calls 2, button calls 2.

flop (7.5)-J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero bets 6.5, BB calls, button folds.

turn (20.5)- 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
hero bets 13, villain calls.

river (46.5)-A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
hero...

i think i played the river right, but im not sure whats optimal here. the pot is huge and i only have ~30 left. who blocks and who c/fs and why...

[Pocketducks]

I feel kinda honored to offer my humble opinion to an "Old Hand" especially when he is Stu Unger and all [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I would block on the river. With him just calling on all streets and the uncoordinated board, I'm thinking he's holding maybe Jx or possibly 89suited (hey you said he was a donk). If he hit a set, I would think he would at least min raise you somewhere here. Same with AA or KK.

[schwerd2]

Pot bet the turn! You don't want anyone sticking around with possible straight draw or overcards to your QQ.

[stu-unger]

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Pot bet the turn! You don't want anyone sticking around with possible straight draw or overcards to your QQ.

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u do realize that if i do this i will only have 23 behind in a huge pot and i will be commited. im not really worried about overcards and im not giving any draws the odds to hit...

[stu-unger]

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I feel kinda honored to offer my humble opinion to an "Old Hand" especially when he is Stu Unger and all [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

im a donk w/ a title, no need to be honored...

I would block on the river. With him just calling on all streets and the uncoordinated board, I'm thinking he's holding maybe Jx or possibly 89suited (hey you said he was a donk). If he hit a set, I would think he would at least min raise you somewhere here. Same with AA or KK.

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this is what i planned on doing, so its what i did. it got me to thinking though. i only get value out of KJ and QJ. i dont see him bluffing w/ a missed draw here, nor can i really fold for like 4 1/2 to 1 if he does push. this A only helps AJ and KQ, but it also removes the most likely hand to call a vb from hands im ahead of. who knows, im really bad at straying for my plans for hands in big pots...

[Pocketducks]

And the results were.......?

[stu-unger]

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And the results were.......?

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who cares about results? they arent important.


ok if u really want to know he folded to my bet, but thats irrelevent...

[Thundercat32]

Stu, I agree Pot bet the turn.

Most likely you have the best hand if he calls, and you will get plenty of calls from A-J, K-J, Q-J even, you've only built the pot.

On the river, I check and call a reasonable bet, because it only helps, A-J and A-10, unless he's a complete donk calling down with A-K or A-Q but you're in good shape. You want to just check because, you only want to bet the river if it's going to make you money and most likely if you bet it too hard you are going to only get called by a better hand.

Possibly make a small bet on the river for value, that way even if he has second pair only or just 10's even he calls a small bet, because he thinks he has too.

[orange]

I think blocking for $20+ and folding to a raise is bad. Given we only have $30 left, I value bet and call a push. I think c/f-ing is somewhat weak, but maybe I'm wrong. Against a maniac, I go to the felt with this hand.

If he's passive with a lone J here, is value betting for $20/calling a push optimal? Very often I think our QQ is good here, especially against a maniac. If he is very aggro, c/c is good too, I guess.

[JustToast]

Bet more on the turn, bet the rest on the river. You won't have odds to fold to the chance he's carrying an ace given stacks.