Internet Poker... doomed from Day 1

[PlayaHata]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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I love that you posted this AFTER several posters already answered the question.

Are you reading the thread or just randomly posting?

P.S. Do you think the 2+2 Forums should be illegal as well? I use a computer to access them and I believe it's helped my game.

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no one has given a definate argument to why the believe PT is ethical as compared to a bot. and if i thought 2+2 was unethical i wouldnt be posting. if you dont have anything to contribute to the discussion besides your lame attempt to make jokes and make yourself laugh, why dont you go post in OOT. thanks.

[ShakeZula06]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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I love that you posted this AFTER several posters already answered the question.

Are you reading the thread or just randomly posting?

P.S. Do you think the 2+2 Forums should be illegal as well? I use a computer to access them and I believe it's helped my game.

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no one has given a definate argument to why the believe PT is ethical as compared to a bot. and if i thought 2+2 was unethical i wouldnt be posting. if you dont have anything to contribute to the discussion besides your lame attempt to make jokes and make yourself laugh, why dont you go post in OOT. thanks.

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read my post and tell me how I didn't tear your arguement in half

[PlayaHata]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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Bots are against T&C, so it's cheating
PT is not against T&C, so it's not cheating
Bots are usually kept secret and not everyone has access to it
PT advertises there product, and everyone is allowed to buy one
Bots make there own decisions after they are programmed
PT cannot make any decisions, it only gives you information in which to make a decision.

Clear enough? Now go troll somewhere else!

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bots are available to everyone. google winholdem.

hypoethically. what if two people, better then avg, are playing from 1 account on 1 computer. they make better decisions because they have two minds and two brains to base their decisions on. would you or would you not have a problem with this?

and why am i troll? im trying to have a serious discussion, just because you dont like what i have to say im a troll? if you dont like it dont read it and dont post on it.

[PlayaHata]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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I love that you posted this AFTER several posters already answered the question.

Are you reading the thread or just randomly posting?

P.S. Do you think the 2+2 Forums should be illegal as well? I use a computer to access them and I believe it's helped my game.

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no one has given a definate argument to why the believe PT is ethical as compared to a bot. and if i thought 2+2 was unethical i wouldnt be posting. if you dont have anything to contribute to the discussion besides your lame attempt to make jokes and make yourself laugh, why dont you go post in OOT. thanks.

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read my post and tell me how I didn't tear your arguement in half

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if you dont realize that my post is more then PT, then you are a complete moron and i would like it if you didnt post anymore to ruin the validity of my post. that is all, cartoon boy.

[PlayaHata]

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I disagree that the use or banning of software tools needs to be considered as an "all or nothing" issue. I think it should be practical to say "X is allowed, Y is not," but so far none of the sites have been very successful in defining these issues let alone enforcing compliance.

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that is why i advocate that ALL programs be banned. mrmoo made a good point, that ethics is in the eyes of the user. because, in all fairness to every poker player, we cannot allow joe public to make the rules on what is fair and what is not, poker sites have to ban all poker programs to keep the playing field level.

[ShakeZula06]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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Bots are against T&C, so it's cheating
PT is not against T&C, so it's not cheating
Bots are usually kept secret and not everyone has access to it
PT advertises there product, and everyone is allowed to buy one
Bots make there own decisions after they are programmed
PT cannot make any decisions, it only gives you information in which to make a decision.

Clear enough? Now go troll somewhere else!

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bots are available to everyone. google winholdem.

hypoethically. what if two people, better then avg, are playing from 1 account on 1 computer. they make better decisions because they have two minds and two brains to base their decisions on. would you or would you not have a problem with this?

and why am i troll? im trying to have a serious discussion, just because you dont like what i have to say im a troll? if you dont like it dont read it and dont post on it.

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I noticed that you didn't say anything about the T&C of every poker site out there not allowing bots, but allowing PT. Very telling.

WinHoldem is not a good enough bot to win money at tables by itself, unless you count bonuses. I'm probably below the average poster on 2p2, but I guarentee I am +EV against WinHoldem Heads up, whether it be NL, or limt (probably PL, I rarely play it though) Other bots are kept secret, b/c they are illegal on every poker site ever.

I have no problem with two people playing the same account at one time. Me my buddys do this all the time. We both have the same amount of information available.

Serious discussion lol. Just keep that tin foil on your head so that WinHoldem doesn't hack your account by reading your brain. The exact reason I am posting is to refute your pathetic logic. Troll.

[PlayaHata]

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The big difference is that one is legal and the other is not. Again the environment is different. If a site said we allow colluding, you would then have a very different form of poker being played on that site. Tables would be comprised of teams figuring out odds and roi using several cards, and figuring out the best way to get the most money from other teams. This would still be poker, and it would not be unethical. It would just be a different variation (also I think this would be really fun).


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but as lee jones as said numerous times on 2+2, they do not enforce a 1 person to 1 hand rule.

[PlayaHata]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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Bots are against T&C, so it's cheating
PT is not against T&C, so it's not cheating
Bots are usually kept secret and not everyone has access to it
PT advertises there product, and everyone is allowed to buy one
Bots make there own decisions after they are programmed
PT cannot make any decisions, it only gives you information in which to make a decision.

Clear enough? Now go troll somewhere else!

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bots are available to everyone. google winholdem.

hypoethically. what if two people, better then avg, are playing from 1 account on 1 computer. they make better decisions because they have two minds and two brains to base their decisions on. would you or would you not have a problem with this?

and why am i troll? im trying to have a serious discussion, just because you dont like what i have to say im a troll? if you dont like it dont read it and dont post on it.

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I noticed that you didn't say anything about the T&C of every poker site out there not allowing bots, but allowing PT. Very telling.

WinHoldem is not a good enough bot to win money at tables by itself, unless you count bonuses. I'm probably below the average poster on 2p2, but I guarentee I am +EV against WinHoldem Heads up, whether it be NL, or limt (probably PL, I rarely play it though) Other bots are kept secret, b/c they are illegal on every poker site ever.

I have no problem with two people playing the same account at one time. Me my buddys do this all the time. We both have the same amount of information available.

Serious discussion lol. Just keep that tin foil on your head so that WinHoldem doesn't hack your account by reading your brain. The exact reason I am posting is to refute your pathetic logic. Troll.

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i never said anything about t&c's period. i said that winholdem is avaible to anyone willing to buy it. stop being so defensive, im sorry daddy doesnt love you. you cant change the past, just let go.

[MNpoker]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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I love that you posted this AFTER several posters already answered the question.

Are you reading the thread or just randomly posting?

P.S. Do you think the 2+2 Forums should be illegal as well? I use a computer to access them and I believe it's helped my game.

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no one has given a definate argument to why the believe PT is ethical as compared to a bot. and if i thought 2+2 was unethical i wouldnt be posting. if you dont have anything to contribute to the discussion besides your lame attempt to make jokes and make yourself laugh, why dont you go post in OOT. thanks.

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I did respond to you and give reasons why it's ethical as have SEVERAL other poster. Then you post 'No one has given a reason'. Why should we make any more serious responses? You aren't reading them.

[ShakeZula06]

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to people who advocate PT. please explain the difference, in your opinion, why using PT is ethical compared to using a BOT, which i would hope is unethical.

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Bots are against T&C, so it's cheating
PT is not against T&C, so it's not cheating
Bots are usually kept secret and not everyone has access to it
PT advertises there product, and everyone is allowed to buy one
Bots make there own decisions after they are programmed
PT cannot make any decisions, it only gives you information in which to make a decision.

Clear enough? Now go troll somewhere else!

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bots are available to everyone. google winholdem.

hypoethically. what if two people, better then avg, are playing from 1 account on 1 computer. they make better decisions because they have two minds and two brains to base their decisions on. would you or would you not have a problem with this?

and why am i troll? im trying to have a serious discussion, just because you dont like what i have to say im a troll? if you dont like it dont read it and dont post on it.

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I noticed that you didn't say anything about the T&C of every poker site out there not allowing bots, but allowing PT. Very telling.

WinHoldem is not a good enough bot to win money at tables by itself, unless you count bonuses. I'm probably below the average poster on 2p2, but I guarentee I am +EV against WinHoldem Heads up, whether it be NL, or limt (probably PL, I rarely play it though) Other bots are kept secret, b/c they are illegal on every poker site ever.

I have no problem with two people playing the same account at one time. Me my buddys do this all the time. We both have the same amount of information available.

Serious discussion lol. Just keep that tin foil on your head so that WinHoldem doesn't hack your account by reading your brain. The exact reason I am posting is to refute your pathetic logic. Troll.

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i never said anything about t&c's period. i said that winholdem is avaible to anyone willing to buy it. stop being so defensive, im sorry daddy doesnt love you. you cant change the past, just let go.

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What are you retarded? Read my post. I don't care if you didn't mention T&C, that's actually my point. Bots are unethical because they are illegal. Party poker works directly with PT because they believe it isn't unethical. Does this make sense to you? Buy winHoldem, and see if you can win money with it. You might lose less then you usually do, but, and this is the important part IT WILL NOT WIN YOU MONEY. Any bots that can wiin money the creator keeps to himself and makes money off of it. So not everyone has access to it. Get it?

Since you can't telll the difference between offensive and defensive, I guess your not smart enough to understand a logical arguement, so I'll cut you some slack. Nevermind, your a worthless troll.