Another Endgame Satellite Hand (call w/ QQ?)

[Hotrod0823]

Am I the only one that folds this?

You are on the button you have at least 5 more hands before you're in the blinds and when 1 more player busts you will no longer be short handed and may even have more than 5 hands before the blinds come around again.

First in I think its an easy push, calling a SS allin is tougher.

Yes, the SS has only 2+BB's but you have just under 4.

Yes SS's range is huge, or at least should be, but what is your situation like if you lose. You will have 13k and be in pretty bad shape.

How soon before the blinds go up? With this stack you can see probably 9-10 or possibly more hands where you can pick your spots and pickup blinds. I think I'd wait it out.

Like you said I'd rather be pushing junk first in then having to see a flop with QQ.

Hotrod

[SoCalPat]

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I don't think anyone's thinking about folding into a seat. Isn't it more a question of the difference between calling a push here (knowing we see a showdown) and being able to pick up a lot of chips later with my own push and (usually) no showdown?

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Given the number of players left to knock out, I'd feel much better about my play if I lost by calling QQ and got sucked out on, vs. stealing from the SB and my opponent wakes up with aces or kings.

I don't want to be wrong when "usually" decides to leave. "Usually" you'll win with QQ. I'll take my chances on what I know.

[LearnedfromTV]

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How soon before the blinds go up?

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Soon. It's a turbo, so every five minutes. BB will be 12K by the time it gets to me and I'll be allin if I lose.

[nath]

I think I call because I'm pretty sure you can't fold your way in yet.

[JustPlayingSmart]

You probably have the other 2 tables open, so you should know how people are playing. There are a few issues in place here. The stack sizes of the 4 people after you are great. You could fold this hand and most likely steal with any 2 cards the following hand.

That's not to say that you should fold here for sure. Another issue is the tables combining at 18. If your table busts the 19th guy, it's possible you could move up in relation to the blinds. Stars usually tries to put people in the same position at the table, but it's not always possible. Moving up to UTG is a very good thing for you.

With the stack you have now, you do not want to be big blind when it is 20k or more. With your spot at the table and the stalling that is probably going on, this is very likely. If you call here and win, you have 60k, and you can not only survive a 10k/20k blind round, but if they go up three times before they get to you (which might happen if you are CO at a 9 handed table), then you can even survive a 15k/30k blind round. This means you have like 2 full orbits, and can definitely fold your way to a seat.

I'm not sure I love a call here. I think it is pretty close, so I am not going to argue against it. But I want to make sure you don't underestimate your fold equity from the people who are after you. Calling and losing here is very very bad. That will happen probably 1/3 of the time on average. Pushing and stealing next hand (or the hand after) will give you 42k and should allow you to make it through the 10k/20k blinds and fold your way in.

[adanthar]

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BB will be 12K by the time it gets to me and I'll be allin if I lose.

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If this were true it'd be an instafold, but it's not, because once one more person busts one of the tables will break and you might be reseated.

This is tricky but I don't think you can quite fold in so I call. I may be wrong about this since I'd have to watch every table to make sure.

[locutus2002]

Hero calls.

The avg stack at the bubble will be ~50K, and the table will be 6-handed, the blinds will be at least 6k/12k or more.

I don't think you can pass on a 2:1 edge (against villain's range) to comfortably fold to a good situation at the bubble.

[nsj]

Very easy call.

[Karakaz]

...calls. You need to pick up 1 more pot to be guaranteed a seat. 30k might not cut it. You're also very likely to be 80/20 or 70/30.

[golfinguy5]

You have to call this. The blinds will be 5k/10k and being in quite a few of these sats you will be BB at least once more at which time you may end up having to push any two. I would put villan on any pocket pair or Ax.