semi-deep TPTK hand w/ some history

AllIn3High · #1 04-28-2006, 01:24 AM

Villian is rebirth_, good semi-LAG. We've been playing each other on up to 4 tables at a time for hours now. He calls my raises quite often in position and is aggressive.

We've mostly given up, but there has been multiple occurances of 2- and 3-barrel bluffs, floats etc. from both of us.

Some hands from earlier:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($819.54)
MP ($328.15)
Hero ($743.90)
Button ($1704.04)
SB ($1044.75)
BB ($278.28)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises to $24, 1 fold, Hero calls $24, 3 folds.

Flop: ($57) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $45, Hero calls $45.

Turn: ($147) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $115, UTG calls $115.

River: ($377) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $275, UTG calls $275.

Final Pot: $927

Results in white below:
UTG has Jh Qh (straight, queen high).
Hero has As Jc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $927.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($600)
UTG ($594)
Hero ($561.40)
Button ($628)
SB ($609)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $24, Button calls $24, 2 folds.

Flop: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($137) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $70, Hero calls $70.

River: ($277) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $250, Hero calls $250.

Final Pot: $777

Results in white below:
Hero has As Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
Button has Qs Kh (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $777.

Onto the actual hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

SB ($2038.15)
BB ($224.70)
UTG ($605)
MP ($1231.14)
Hero ($1895.18)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, MP calls $6, Hero raises to $30, SB (poster) calls $27, 1 fold, MP folds.

Flop: ($72) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $55, SB raises to $155, Hero calls $100.

Turn: ($382) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $300

I don't think there's any way I can fold to the flop raise. But maybe someone disagrees? All Comments welcome.

EDIT: Also, while both of the above hands look like we only know two moves, they're mostly given for context. We're both capable of mixing it up, check/raising with draws/air etc.

TheWorstPlayer · #2 04-28-2006, 01:30 AM

call

AllIn3High · #3 04-28-2006, 01:34 AM

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Because we're expecting him to follow up most check/raises, yes?

Also, how much are we willing to call on the river?

TheWorstPlayer · #4 04-28-2006, 01:37 AM

i prob call up to pot on river. if he had a monster, he would check raise the river a lot here i think.

aba20 · #5 04-28-2006, 04:11 AM

Really tricky spot. I think you have to raise, not because I think it is hugely +EV (for this particular hand) but because he needs to know that you will raise with not only fullhouses in spots like these. If you are only willing to raise a boat here he will beable to pick off your bluffs much more easily in the future. I probably raise to 1000 and grudgingly call a push.

Tao_Jones · #6 04-28-2006, 05:46 AM

Ahhhh, now I get it! Well, since you told me you have absolutely zero respect for my game, heres what I hope occured in this hand.

I hope you sheepishly check/called turn only to fill up on the river when an 8 rolls off and then pushed 300bb's into rebirth as he instacalled with quads! Please say its so?

yvesaint · #7 04-28-2006, 05:59 AM

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Ahhhh, now I get it! Well, since you told me you have absolutely zero respect for my game, heres what I hope occured in this hand.

I hope you sheepishly check/called turn only to fill up on the river when an 8 rolls off and then pushed 300bb's into rebirth as he instacalled with quads! Please say its so?

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u are a bitter man

Tao_Jones · #8 04-28-2006, 06:23 AM

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Ahhhh, now I get it! Well, since you told me you have absolutely zero respect for my game, heres what I hope occured in this hand.

I hope you sheepishly check/called turn only to fill up on the river when an 8 rolls off and then pushed 300bb's into rebirth as he instacalled with quads! Please say its so?

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u are a bitter man

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Not at all, but most definately sadistic [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Allin insulted me today @ the tables, made me sit out for a minute or two so I could cry it out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] If it makes me bitter in the eyes of the 2+2 clique to wish quads upon him then so bet it! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

yvesaint · #9 04-28-2006, 06:28 AM

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Ahhhh, now I get it! Well, since you told me you have absolutely zero respect for my game, heres what I hope occured in this hand.

I hope you sheepishly check/called turn only to fill up on the river when an 8 rolls off and then pushed 300bb's into rebirth as he instacalled with quads! Please say its so?

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u are a bitter man

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Not at all, but most definately sadistic [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Allin insulted me today @ the tables, made me sit out for a minute or two so I could cry it out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] If it makes me bitter in the eyes of the 2+2 clique to wish quads upon him then so bet it! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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J9o [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

anyways lets stop derailing allin3highs thread.

AllIn3High · #10 04-29-2006, 12:26 PM

aba20,

interesting... do you really think that the metagame benifit is worth it here? (that's basicly what you're saying right?)

results:

I called, river was Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] he bet $300, i was slightly disgusted and relieved at the same time... contemplated raising all-in to get him off a small boat but decided that was suicide and ended up just calling and paying off his 88.

Tao Jones,
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Ahhhh, now I get it! Well, since you told me you have absolutely zero respect for my game, heres what I hope occured in this hand.

I hope you sheepishly check/called turn only to fill up on the river when an 8 rolls off and then pushed 300bb's into rebirth as he instacalled with quads! Please say its so?

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lol wtf? is this the hand you're talking about

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($576)
BB ($954.80)
UTG ($817.60)
MP ($525.10)
CO ($1667.67)
Hero ($602.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises to $22, 2 folds, Hero calls $22, SB (poster) calls $19, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($88) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $75, SB raises to $275, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $505.40 (All-In), SB calls $279 (All-In).

Turn: ($1222.40) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1222.40) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $1222.40

Where you wrote "no respect" and i replied "none what so ever" afterwards?