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Old 04-26-2006, 01:10 AM
Yossarian147 Yossarian147 is offline
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Default Too weak w/KK?

MP1 is 33/14/2.4

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 caps</font>, Hero folds.

So is this a lame fold or what? If he's got the ten I'm left w/2 outs and probably calling down for an additional 2.5 bb. I have been overplaying big pairs lately, I'm not sure if this is overcompensation for that.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:18 AM
Eeegah Eeegah is offline
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

Hm. You'll need to make up 4BB postflop, but as nutso as this guy is it looks like you could make that up, provided you bet out the turn if you spike a K--he'll just see it as a continuation of the flop war. A bit iffy if we're playing just for set value; probably break even.

On the other hand against a LAG like this he could have QJo for all we know. I think we should call this down.
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

On this flop, I check/call and see the turn at least. I think the hard betting (open bet on high paired board) on the flop is where you would lose your money, not calling (at least to the turn). I could be wrong about even going that far (possible leak?).
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Old 04-26-2006, 01:59 AM
Eeegah Eeegah is offline
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

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On this flop, I check/call and see the turn at least.

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No [censored] way dude. This is an easy value bet/3-bet.
Don't be afraid of trips just because there's two of the same card up. KK is a monster here.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:01 AM
Toe-Knee Toe-Knee is offline
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

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On this flop, I check/call and see the turn at least. I think the hard betting (open bet on high paired board) on the flop is where you would lose your money, not calling (at least to the turn). I could be wrong about even going that far (possible leak?).

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Dude your not winning (AKA loosing) soooo much by NOT betting the flop here. Your gonna have the best hand here a ton.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:03 AM
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On this flop, I check/call and see the turn at least. I think the hard betting (open bet on high paired board) on the flop is where you would lose your money, not calling (at least to the turn). I could be wrong about even going that far (possible leak?).

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It's a leak to check this flop.
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Old 04-26-2006, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

While the flop is an autobet, I don't know why we're 3betting if we don't want a cap and this guy is probably betting all the way anyway (see: WA/WB).
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Old 04-26-2006, 08:44 AM
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Yes! I found another WA/AB situation! Only 98 more to collect and I get a free lawn mower wooooo
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

no way you can fold. you need to see it
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Old 04-26-2006, 10:43 AM
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Default Re: Too weak w/KK?

Ugh, bad fold. If you're willing to 3-bet this flop you should call the cap. The flop action's already bloated this pot. You have 2 king outs, a weak str8 draw, it's HU, etc.
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