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Old 04-25-2006, 04:46 PM
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Default two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

Villain is 25/4.5/2.63

Lately I've been running not great, especially with two pair which is why I may be posting these simple hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($205)
UTG ($82.40)
MP ($610.39)
CO ($401.41)
Button ($198.12)
SB ($192)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($8) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, SB calls $13.

Turn: ($44) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, Villain pushes, Hero....

I get real confused when someone bet/calls a raise on a coordinated flop, then comes alive on the turn. But on this turn the only draw that hit was a gutshot. My inclination is to put him on some type of draw/combo draw, maybe just beecause I beat those hands, but I figure two pair/set raises the flop, but maybe not, people do stupid things. I think I have to call, but I nee some reassurance.

Last thing, is my flop raise decent size?

Thanks,

-starvs
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

looks like he had 97 for the double gutter draw he hit.

possibly set or at very least the J8. Basically, you're beaten. Fold.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

You're crushed here.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

bet/call, c/r is ALWAYS a monster who doesn't want to lose you on the flop by 3 betting.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

Thanks of confiriming my badness. I called. I shouldn't have. If you need me I'll be opening a new account on party so I can play the begginer tables.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

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bet/call, c/r is ALWAYS a monster who doesn't want to lose you on the flop by 3 betting.

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...or a draw that just hit?
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

Yea, you played the hand well so far, but you're beat here more often than not. fold that ish.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

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Thanks of confiriming my badness. I called. I shouldn't have. If you need me I'll be opening a new account on party so I can play the begginer tables.

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Did he have 97?
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

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Thanks of confiriming my badness. I called. I shouldn't have. If you need me I'll be opening a new account on party so I can play the begginer tables.

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Did he have 97?

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yes. I should have been able to fold this, and hopefully would have if I was not in a slightly tilty state.
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Old 04-25-2006, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: two pair isn\'t the nuts!?! (Part two)

This is why double gutters are sweet. Cause they sneak up out of NOWHERE.
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