No bot no fear by 2+2ers?

[JOEL_]

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People read this stuff!

It does not matter if you or I can beat the bots,this scares people away.

The bot issue,sooner rather than later,has to be dealt with by the sites.

[DougG]

The article is from November 2005 so it looks like it hasn't scared everyone away yet...

It's really wonderful that the author basically made this sound like a can't-miss proposition, then provided a link to a bot website for the would-be jillionaires. On the other hand, there are a couple of encouraging notes:

Does it work off the shelf?
Yes, but it won't make you any money. The program is a virtually blank slate that you fill with as many scenarios as you see fit. You'll need to spend about 2,500 hours programming it to turn even a small profit.

Will it make me money?
That depends. Most people quit after a couple of weeks; those who persevere make around £3 per table per hour - which soon adds up...

[plonker]

Intresting read. Would like to know how widespread this problem is and at what limits these bots operate in.

Like I said good read though if nothing else

[Mempho]

I think the article linked at the bottom is more interesting...especially the Sklansky interview:

Professional player and author David Sklansky is the world's foremost expert on poker - books such as The Theory Of Poker have made him a godlike figure to many bot programmers. He believes getting bots to collude is not only viable but a genuine threat to regular players.

'The biggest problem for card rooms is the bots that are programmed to collude. If you have two or three of your own bots in the same game, then besides playing the basic strategy, they will be able to play an improved strategy based on knowing each other's own cards, and will really cause the other players to struggle.

'If you had a game with three world champion players and three players at a lower individual level who were colluding (sharing cards and information), then all three world champions would eventually lose.'

[o0mr_bill0o]

yeah, the sklansky as a "godlike figure" made it seem like he was down with bots, which i didn't like too much.

[ubercuber]

Forgive the ignorance, but would it be possible for Party to purchase this machine, turn on team mode, and bust the colluding bots?

It seems like the best they could do with the pop up type requirement idea is to reduce bot owners to supervising the bots.

That Winholdem guy is a real piece of work, he suggests the solution is for everyone to buy a bot! Like we all want to shell out $200 to so our comps can play against each other.

I am sure that online casino's CAN stop him before this gets out of hand...but they need to have a supervisor for every game watching and communicating with the players. Isn't part of the job of B&M dealers to "protect the game"? Online needs the same thing.

[costanza_g]

Anybody else find it ironic "Sklansky" and "godlike" were in the same sentence? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[TimWillTell]

I think the idea of PartyPoker Alert-Staff buying Winholdem, put it on "Share with Friends" and thus busting the bot-colluders is absolutely fabulous!

ubercuber, take this idea to PartyPoker Alert!

[evans075]

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Anybody else find it ironic "Sklansky" and "godlike" were in the same sentence? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Brilliant.

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Forgive the ignorance, but would it be possible for Party to purchase this machine, turn on team mode, and bust the colluding bots?

It seems like the best they could do with the pop up type requirement idea is to reduce bot owners to supervising the bots.

That Winholdem guy is a real piece of work, he suggests the solution is for everyone to buy a bot! Like we all want to shell out $200 to so our comps can play against each other.

I am sure that online casino's CAN stop him before this gets out of hand...but they need to have a supervisor for every game watching and communicating with the players. Isn't part of the job of B&M dealers to "protect the game"? Online needs the same thing.

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you don't just turn it on and meet bots in your game. you have to find someone else on a mesage board or run both bots yourself. if you collude with someone elses bot, you start a 2 person channel on winholdem's irc server and then the clients transmitt the hole cards with strong encryption.

as long as AHK scripts are allowed to press buttons in the poker software, bots will be impossible to get rid off