$55 Lvl 1+2: Limping with KK/AA/AK in early/middle position to trap?

[AA Suited]

I've been experimenting with this.

if I'm in early position, i'll limp with KK/AA/AK to trap, even if there's a limper. if the board is too dangerous (or if i dont hit tptk w/ak), i can fold.

so i lose 60 chips, instead of making 150. on the plus side, i could stack someone for 2000 chips.

On the other hand, this is fps (fancy play syndrome).

Does anyone know if it's better to play ABC poker (ie: raise with good hands) or go for FPS with KK/AA/AK at early levels?
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[Gobgogbog]

I don't think you're all that much more likely to stack anyone OOP in an unraised pot. What sort of line are you looking at that ends up with it all in?

[caretaker1]

I think you'll stack folks enough raising with them and its too easy to leave yourself vulnerable to getting stacked without raising.

[advilandy]

Maybe you haven't been doing this alot, but I tried this for awhile and half the time you'll end up all in against 2 pair when you don't hit a set or against a flush or straight...it's too easy to want to milk more and more out of the villain(s) when all you're doing in the long run is giving limpers odds to beat a hand you should be winning money on.

I feel like this is especially true for early in a tournament because get tricksy ends up hurting your image anyway if you don't save it for later.

[sngmachine]

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Maybe you haven't been doing this alot, but I tried this for awhile and half the time you'll end up all in against 2 pair when you don't hit a set or against a flush or straight...it's too easy to want to milk more and more out of the villain(s) when all you're doing in the long run is giving limpers odds to beat a hand you should be winning money on.

I feel like this is especially true for early in a tournament because get tricksy ends up hurting your image anyway if you don't save it for later.

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[Ixnert]

Only time I limp here is when there's some crazy bastard that's been pushing into every multi-way limped pot. (Which seems to happen occasionally at lower levels; I don't know if anyone does that at the 55s.)

[beeyjay]

people at the 55s are plenty happy to get it all in when their kj hits top pair that I don't think this is gaining you any real value especially considering how often it could git you in a really bad situation. you're doing it with the intention of getting it all in the middle postflop, this makes me wonder how you are not getting stacked here as often as the other way around.

[BHokie1]

Last time I limped with AA it was heads up - to a constant folder

Flop came 27K - he bet (I said great he has a K) - I raised he went all in -
he had 27.

I should of just taken down the blinds and knickle and dimed him down.

Not to be results oriented on one hand - but any experiments I have made in these situations - have cost me big more times than I think they have helped.

The only time I do this is if there is a habitual Position raiser in the CO or Button - and I'm looking to push over him PF.

BTW - if this helps in your decision - the play you are talking about is common in the $11s and $6s.

So I vote FPSing.

[TeckChavez]

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I think you'll stack folks enough raising with them and its too easy to leave yourself vulnerable to getting stacked without raising.

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Yep, I used to mix this up and limp every now and then hoping for a PF raise that i can come over the top on. My mixing it up is now 'once in a blue moon' or never because of this hand I got on Saturday.

#Game No : 3921054253
***** Hand History for Game 3921054253 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $55 Buy-in Trny:21848041 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Saturday, April 08, 18:03:10 ET 2006
Table Speed Deck Of Hearts (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 8: bounding_overwatch ( $1920 )
Seat 4: TeckChavez ( $1940 )
Seat 7: LuckyCony505 ( $2300 )
Seat 5: BigBlue345 ( $2080 )
Seat 3: Slambang ( $1945 )
Seat 10: skipjack12 ( $2300 )
Seat 2: riskymarc2 ( $1750 )
Seat 6: clydedog1 ( $1900 )
Seat 9: kcmorgan ( $1940 )
Seat 1: kostos2000 ( $1925 )
Trny:21848041 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TeckChavez [ Ad Ac ]
TeckChavez calls [60].
BigBlue345 calls [60].
clydedog1 folds.
LuckyCony505 folds.
bounding_overwatch folds.
kcmorgan folds.
skipjack12 folds.
kostos2000 calls [60].
riskymarc2 calls [30].
Slambang checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 9c, Ah ]
riskymarc2 checks.
Slambang checks.
TeckChavez checks.
BigBlue345 bets [175].
kostos2000 folds.
riskymarc2 folds.
Slambang folds.
TeckChavez calls [175].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
TeckChavez checks.
BigBlue345 bets [90].
TeckChavez raises [300].
BigBlue345 calls [210].
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
TeckChavez bets [400].
BigBlue345 raises [1200].
TeckChavez is all-In [1005]
BigBlue345 calls [205].
BigBlue345 shows [ 8s, 9s ] four of a kind, nines.
TeckChavez shows [ Ad, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of nines.
BigBlue345 wins 4060 chips from the main pot with four of a kind, nines.
TeckChavez finished in tenth place.