Jeopardy

Nate tha\\\' Great · #1 04-10-2006, 01:15 PM

Both opponents were TAGs and had not gotten out of line.

30/60 9-handed, I raise X [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG+1. UTG+2 3-bets, MP caps, we both call.

Flop 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet out, UTG+2 raises, MP 3 bets, I fold.

X is a pair. What is the highest value of X that I should fold here?

mr pink · #2 04-10-2006, 01:22 PM

jacks seem like an easy fold. queens I could definitely see but I'd wanna at least peel to the turn w/ the Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Payoff · #3 04-10-2006, 01:30 PM

what's the lowest value of X you should have been raising with UTG in a 30-60 game?

Dazarath · #4 04-10-2006, 01:36 PM

I fold QQ here. I raise 77 UTG.

Jeffage · #5 04-10-2006, 01:50 PM

Jacks - ladies are on the fence.

Jeff

3rdCheckRaise · #6 04-10-2006, 01:52 PM

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I fold QQ here. I raise 77 UTG

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..same here...

Nate tha\\\' Great · #7 04-10-2006, 01:52 PM

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Jacks - ladies are on the fence.

Jeff

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In retrospect, I hate how I set up the original post, since anything <=JJ is a clear fold, and obviously KK+ you're still playing.

I had the ladies here ... what do we do with them?

Jeffage · #8 04-10-2006, 01:58 PM

If neither get out of line, I think you have a fold. It would be quite a parlay if neither had KK or AA based on the pre and postflop action. If one was a nutjob, it would be a different story...I think it's a fold b/c it's likely to get capped behind you. There's just too many ways you're [censored]. Though I'm guessing you posted this b/c one had the other QQ or JJ or overplayed tens and the other had AsKs and you woulda won. Doesn't matter - you will have to put in tons of bets and most of the time will be drawing to two outs.

Jeff

Nate tha\\\' Great · #9 04-10-2006, 02:01 PM

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If neither get out of line, I think you have a fold. It would be quite a parlay if neither had KK or AA based on the pre and postflop action. If one was a nutjob, it would be a different story...I think it's a fold b/c it's likely to get capped behind you. There's just too many ways you're [censored]. Though I'm guessing you posted this b/c one had the other QQ or JJ or overplayed tens and the other had AsKs and you woulda won. Doesn't matter - you will have to put in tons of bets and most of the time will be drawing to two outs.

Jeff

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lol, exactly. I did fold the queens here and felt pretty good about it, and of course it turned out to the best hand.

Josh. · #10 04-10-2006, 02:30 PM

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If neither get out of line, I think you have a fold. It would be quite a parlay if neither had KK or AA based on the pre and postflop action. If one was a nutjob, it would be a different story...I think it's a fold b/c it's likely to get capped behind you. There's just too many ways you're [censored]. Though I'm guessing you posted this b/c one had the other QQ or JJ or overplayed tens and the other had AsKs and you woulda won. Doesn't matter - you will have to put in tons of bets and most of the time will be drawing to two outs.

Jeff

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lol, exactly. I did fold the queens here and felt pretty good about it, and of course it turned out to the best hand.

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i wouldn't be too upset about folding there. i agree that it's super borderline. can you run a sim of some sort, assuming the first guy can have 88+ or AKs and the second guy JJ+ or AKs?