40-80 against two 2+2ers in multiple parts -- part 1

mike l. · #1 04-09-2006, 10:37 PM

okay 40 game at commerce. i openraise utg w/ red TT. josh w. three bets, some semi-fishy guy cold calls 3 on the button, bugstud caps in the bb, everyone calls. 4 of us.

the flop comes Q75 all spades. bugstud bets, i ???

BoxTree · #2 04-09-2006, 10:53 PM

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okay 40 game at commerce. i openraise utg w/ red TT. josh w. three bets, some semi-fishy guy cold calls 3 on the button, bugstud caps in the bb, everyone calls. 4 of us.

the flop comes Q75 all spades. bugstud bets, i ???

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Josh's Hand Range: AA-TT. Maybe 99-77 depending on how he feels. AK, AQ, AJs. Maybe AJ.

Bugstud: AA-QQ. AKs. Probably AK. Maybe JJ. Maybe TT. I'm pretty sure he'd fold 99.

If you think these assumptions are wrong...eh...tell me why.

Anyhow, Bugstud leads. You can only beat AKs. If you try to peel for one bet, it's likely going to get raised and re-raised before it gets back to you. If you raise, it's likely to get 3-bet and possibly capped before it gets back to you. So, basically, you're going to have to put in two or three bets to see the turn.

Oh, and you really only have one out as the T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is not sexy.

I can't imagine there's a better play than folding to bugstud's bet.

3rdCheckRaise · #3 04-09-2006, 11:20 PM

Sometimes the fold is just a fold...

brandon · #4 04-09-2006, 11:28 PM

Turbo muck

Ive had some tough lessons trying to play TT against solid opponents in multiway mulitraised pots. Flop a set or fold.

mike l. · #5 04-10-2006, 12:09 AM

i shouldve mentioned this before:

josh w. sometimes has a huge hand range.

whodaman · #6 04-10-2006, 12:19 AM

if the flop wasn't all spades you could probably raise but given that you dont a spade with two players behind, a fold is best in my opinion.

amulet · #7 04-10-2006, 12:52 AM

a player caps 4 way out of position (bb) then leads into an all spade flop, you have both the 3 bettor and a fish that called 3 cold still to act behind you. plus the Ts is an awful card. it is doubtful you are best here, and any spade, J, K, A, kill your hand (that is 21 cards twice), in a big pot that will cause people to chase. seems like a very quick fold. calling is giving away chips. again, i strongly doubt you are best now, and can't imagine you will be best by the river.

SA125 · #8 04-10-2006, 01:08 AM

I'm looking forward to hearing Josh W's part in this.

Duke · #9 04-10-2006, 01:27 AM

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i shouldve mentioned this before:

josh w. sometimes has a huge hand range.

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The 5 of spades is on the board, so that eliminates some of them.

~D

Josh W · #10 04-10-2006, 01:29 AM

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okay 40 game at commerce. i openraise utg w/ red TT. josh w. three bets, some semi-fishy guy cold calls 3 on the button, bugstud caps in the bb, everyone calls. 4 of us.

the flop comes Q75 all spades. bugstud bets, i ???

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It should be mentioned that when against 2+2ers in a live game, I appear to "donk" it up (while nearly always booking wins....). Gimme position, and I'll play MANY starting hands. mike knows this.

Josh