Flop check raise foiled

CubicZirconia · #1 04-07-2006, 12:01 AM

CO has played ~40% of his hands, raises too much, and bets virtually every flop he sees. Button just joined the table. I figured I could check raise CO since he probably has garbage, but the button complicated the situation. Thoughts?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, CO raises, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero..

swong4444 · #2 04-07-2006, 12:23 AM

Bet the flop. Since your read on CO is a bit too aggro, bet out and hope he raises to shut off the button.

Check-raising the flop (knowing CO will bet) is better suited to trap the button between you and CO. That doesn't seem like your what you want here given your reads.

bennyhana · #3 04-07-2006, 12:43 AM

Lead into him. If button 3-bets or raises, I think you could safely fold. If button just joined, has he picked up on CO's behaviour already?

Gib · #4 04-07-2006, 01:13 AM

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Bet the flop. Since your read on CO is a bit too aggro, bet out and hope he raises to shut off the button.

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nice

river me please · #5 04-07-2006, 01:26 AM

Definitely lead this flop. I want to run off the button and if CO is that LAGgy then he should raise facing the button for 2 cold. With no read on the button I probably fold this as is. Don't like our hand on a draw heavy board staring at 2 bets.

CubicZirconia · #6 04-07-2006, 02:28 AM

Alright thanks everyone. I felt afterward my play didn't make much sense given the presence of the button.

MacGuyV · #7 04-07-2006, 01:18 PM

I'm going to have to disagree with everything in this thread and play the results-oriented card - I checkraise this flop all day. I don't see the value in protecting a pot that has 3 bets in it with only 2 potential overcards. If button is new to the table he doesn't know much about CO and even if he did that's even more of a reason to check so you can 3bet their asses.

As it played out, it is a very close decision, but going completely readless I will probably fold on the basis that an unknown .5/1 coldcaller probably isn't that aggressive, and the pot isn't that big. I don't think a call would be terrible though.

davelin · #8 04-07-2006, 01:20 PM

I normally fold this pre-flop. Fold the flop.

milesdyson · #9 04-07-2006, 01:23 PM

yep, this is a very standard flop check

people are being results-oriented based on the flop bet and raise but also, a lot of people just actually do donkbet top pair like this regardless of preflop action

sarsen · #10 04-07-2006, 01:23 PM

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I'm going to have to disagree with everything in this thread and play the results-oriented card - I checkraise this flop all day. I don't see the value in protecting a pot that has 3 bets in it with only 2 potential overcards. If button is new to the table he doesn't know much about CO and even if he did that's even more of a reason to check so you can 3bet their asses.

As it played out, it is a very close decision, but going completely readless I will probably fold on the basis that an unknown .5/1 coldcaller probably isn't that aggressive, and the pot isn't that big. I don't think a call would be terrible though.

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This is how I play this hand too.