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Old 04-06-2006, 02:09 PM
SamuraiDuck SamuraiDuck is offline
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Default PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

Villain is 23/14/4.3 over 80 hands.
I know I should have bet the turn, but is the river an insta call? If so, what hands is villain betting here that we are beating? Comments on all streets welcomed [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I find situations like this extremely difficult and often find myself spewing out lots of chips.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($89.97)
MP2 ($72.10)
CO ($10)
Button ($52.25)
SB ($49.37)
BB ($56.75)
UTG ($17.29)
UTG+1 ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.75. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $3, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.50.
<font color="green">Standard.</font>

Flop: ($10.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.5</font>, Button calls $7.50, UTG folds.
<font color="green">Obviously I have to bet this flop to defend against the flush draw, but I am not especially happy that villain calls.</font>

Turn: ($25.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.
<font color="green">I regret not betting the turn to defend against the draw, however if the 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] was the 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] instead then I would check the turn here in an instant. </font>

River: ($25.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $15</font>, Hero...?
<font color="green">I strongly believe that villain can beat a pair here, but can I afford to fold with such good pot odds?</font>
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:17 PM
WrMattyG WrMattyG is offline
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

Well if he was going for the A/x heart draw...then he hit his ace on the turn, Id probaly fold the river here..

That or you could re-raise push all in =) if he has a weak ace he might fold anyways [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

This is a tough hand. I think the mistake is on the turn. I think this is where you really find out if you are beat or not. The check isnt terrible since he checked behind which kept the pot size down. I think you have to make the crying call on the river though as played.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:37 PM
SamuraiDuck SamuraiDuck is offline
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

I really regret not betting the turn. Assuming I had bet the turn, and he flat called, what would my river action be? Obviously I would check, but could I release the hand if he then bet say $20 into the pot, or would I have to call him down?
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

If he calls turn river is c/f IMO.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

Preflop: Calling or raising is fine. The real chump preflop is CO, who posted 7.5% of his stack. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Flop: I'd make it closer to full pot, you need the protection, but whatever.

Turn: Lead, fold out villain's draw or small pair here; fold to a raise.

River: Check/call is good, as by now you've induced a bluff from anyone with a pulse. You may be beaten, but you probably make more money from a check/call than you save by blocking.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

If he flat calls the turn I am leaning towards c/f on the river unless he bets some ridiculously small amount.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

If your willing to call $15 on the river, might as well pop $15 in on the turn and rep. the ace. If called, I c/f river.
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

Bet turn, as played call river knowing your beating only a bluff
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Old 04-06-2006, 02:46 PM
SamuraiDuck SamuraiDuck is offline
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Default Re: PartyPoker $50 NL - Overpair Hand - Totally Lost :(

Ok, so I think we can all agree that the best line would be to bet the flop, bet the turn, and then c/f the river if villain is still in the hand (unless if the river bet is only very small in which case we obviously call)?
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