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Old 04-06-2006, 09:51 AM
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Default Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

Villain is a super passive, rarely leads a pot, check/calls mostly. 38/2/.59 at 130 hands.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.55
Hero: $48.52
Button: $24.75
SB: $10.28
BB: $56.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1, 4 players)
SB checks, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $0.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $9.5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $6.5 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $9

I'm interested in turn/river play here. Please don't say fold pf, normally I'd raise this in the cutoff. I had a reason for limping here but I don't remember what it was.

In regards to villain, this is the first time I've ever seen him bet/3bet. Anyone call this thinking its something other than KT ?
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:59 AM
djoyce003 djoyce003 is offline
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

i'd call...this could be a slowplayed set often as well.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

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i'd call...this could be a slowplayed set often as well.

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I thought of this as well. I know I'm really only afraid of one hand here, KT, but I couldn't see him making this play with anything other than the nuts given his past action.

He took a bit of time to think before raising. Additionally, the only other time he had raised a pot, he showed down a boat. Seemed like he'd only raise with the nuts.

I'm probably laying down the best hand here some of the time, but I went with my gut after playing with this guy for a couple hours.
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

Non paired board........no flushes.........call. You are ahead of everything except K 10.....
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

What about two pair? QJ?
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:32 AM
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I'm probably laying down the best hand here most of the time, but I went with my gut after playing with this guy for a couple hours.

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FYP
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:52 AM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

thirteen,

preflop is OK, but I prefer a raise. You said you had a reason, so fair enough.

I'm not folding on this river, b/c I think he has 2pair/set often enough, but then again, I wasn't at the table. This is one of those hands where we can't tell you what to do, b/c if folding is anywhere near an option, then it is soley based on time at table with villain, and we weren't there
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Old 04-06-2006, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

you can't fold the second nuts on this board - as everyone else has said, KT is the only hand that beats you. For you to put him specifically on this hand is weak-tight play.
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:11 AM
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What about two pair? QJ?

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Same villain. He has K9 here.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG folds, SB calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($13.25, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $25.25
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Old 04-06-2006, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: Second nut straight against 3-bet from super passive.

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you can't fold the second nuts on this board - as everyone else has said, KT is the only hand that beats you. For you to put him specifically on this hand is weak-tight play.

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Certainly is, but I was due for a weak tight fold since I'm generally over aggressive. Against someone other than villain I push. Occasionally I act on a read for better or worse. Can't really justify the fold based on anything other than feel. A majority of the hands I played at this table were played against villain. He kept taking money off others and I kept taking it off him. This was the only hand he seemed willing to stack off against me and I folded. Probably pissed away $50 but I felt good about it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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